<Harry> Vash, I'm watching Gammera -vs- the Sonic Monster. (Glog)
<Vash> wb ted
<Harry> Wb tTed
<Krenon> Hi. I had a connection problem
<Akatsukam> Rehi, Ted.
<Krenon> Back shortly
<Harry> -k- Ted
<Harry> Somebody want to E-Mail Carol (RedFlame)?
<Akatsukam> Done.
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<flatlandr> Hello? <flatlandr> This space must be big. I can't even hear echoes. <Krenon> Hi <Akatsukam> Afternoon, flatlandr. <Harry> Hi Flatlandr <Vash> Hello Flatlandr <flatlandr> Ah, there's one/two. Hi, Justin, Akatsukam,
Harry, Vash. <Harry> Krenon, any ideas for a topic? <Krenon> Give me a minute. <Vash> Flatlandr, you are using the default nickname for the java interface,
can you change your nick by typing /nick yournewname please *** flatlandr is now known as fithp <Harry> -k- <Harry> FITHP? <Vash> Oh, hello Larry!!! <Harry> LARRY! <Krenon> :-) <fithp> Hello. <Krenon> Nice to see you. <Krenon> I'm hoping to meet you at ConJose. <Harry> Good to see you Larry. <Krenon> Looking for Carol: she hasn't got AIM open <Harry> I sent an E-Mail Kernon. <Vash> I'm using the laptop downstairs, so I can't check where she is
either <Krenon> If she hasn't got AIM open it probably means she's off line so
she may not have seen the email <Akatsukam> Does she use ICQ? <Krenon> Personally I'd like to have a bit of a discussion about magic. <Vash> She uses AIM <Krenon> No <Vash> and Mana? <Krenon> Yes and whatever else goes with magic. <Vash> chips? <Krenon> ? *** Vash is now known as Nesssus <Nesssus> as in Chips with everything <Akatsukam> Chips don't go with magic; baked potatoes do :) <Krenon> Oh. I'm still fighting cholesterol. *** Redflame has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi Redflame <Krenon> Hi Carol <Nesssus> Hi Carol <Redflame> Hey! <Harry> Hi Red. <Redflame> hi! <Akatsukam> Afternoon, Carol. <fithp> Hi Carol! <Redflame> Larry? <Krenon> Yes <Redflame> John, I was just about to tell you that I was on my way here. <fithp> Redflame, it is I. How' s life? <Akatsukam> We see that now; I guess that there is no need :) <fithp> New things have been happening. For some
time now I've been getting email about "Halo". <Redflame> Life... well enough. Lanae is going into the hosp Wednesday
for yet another new treatment. <Redflame> From people concerned about whether it is Ringworld? <Nesssus> Has anyone here got an Xbox yet? <fithp> Halo is a game on Xbox, with dynamite visuals.
The structure that is the game's site looks like a poor man's Ringworld. <Redflame> Not me. I waste enough time playing on my computer. I see no
reason to find a new way to waste time. <Akatsukam> No Xbox; none wanted. <fithp> So I get emails suggesting I sue, and I
keep saying I can't patent nor copyright a ring. <Redflame> Poor man's Ringworld... nothing YOU need then! <Krenon> So, does it violate your copyright, or have they negotiated anything
with you? <Harry> Even a poor copy can yield a good idea or two Red. <Krenon> But ... BIG rings? <Nesssus> Someone suggested that the Ring on Halo looks more like one
of Brin's orbitals anyway <fithp> Now I've gotten a suggestion from Del Rey
Books: shall I write a novelization of Halo? <Redflame> LOL! <Harry> Data like gold is where you find it. <Nesssus> lol <fithp> I waffled. I can't jump into a fully programmed
universe, I said, and write anything good. It works better if I've been living
in that universe. <Harry> Well, it would connect you to a new audiance. <Nesssus> I think I saw that novelization suggestion on one of the sci-fi
news pages but the report suggested that other authors were being approached <Harry> And a BIG one, All in one chunk. <Redflame> I can see where that might go. The pupeteers, having found
the Ring world, build a prototype around a moon. As they don't think their imitation
skrith is as sstrong as the original, they build only a small <Akatsukam> Hmmm. I think there might be TOO much interaction between
Halo and Ringworld. <Redflame> fithp, you've played Halo? <fithp> I'm about to play Halo. They sent me an
Xbox and Halo, and some other games too. <fithp> Steve Saffel's suggestion. <Redflame> They.... the creators of Halo? Del Rey? <Krenon> Ah. That answers my question. So an Xbox is a game station <Nesssus> the privileges of being a big time author...... <g> FREEBIES! <Krenon> Methinks there's a lot of work that comes before the freebies <Nesssus> Xbox is a game console by micro$oft <fithp> This might work for them. I did sequels
to the 1001 Nights and the Berserkers, and rewrote the Green Lantern universe,
because I was already living there in my head. <fithp> They who sent me the stuff are Microsoft. <Redflame> Ah. <Harry> Fithip? Peg sends a HUG. <fithp> Hug to Peggy, and health to you both. <Redflame> Stawberries are in season. The best I have tasted since the
lasttime I was in California. I wonder if the grower in CA accidently let go
some of the berries they keep for the CA natives. <Krenon> They keep the best for the CA natives? <fithp> There's a Strawberry Festival, annual, near
us. I've missed a couple of years, but may make this one. <Krenon> I need to know what to eat when I get there in August <Redflame> That is MY personal opinion abotu why berries in CA taste betterthan
berries in TX and OK. I never liked them much, until I had some in CA! The festival
is soon? <fithp> I'm not aware that CA is sending you outofstaters
second rank strawberries. Conspiracy theory! <Harry> Why not Larry? The top grade California Avacados are all sent
to New York! <Krenon> We do a reasonable strawberry in New South Wales, Australia <Nesssus> We get English strawberries in June/July, but any other time
of the year they mostly come from Spain. <Krenon> Not a bad avocado too <Nesssus> The spanish ones are usually bigger, but only have half the
taste <fithp> May 18 and 19 is the Strawberry Festival. <Redflame> Maybe they are just picked too soon, to spend four weeks sitting
in the dark to slowly ripen while being transported. <Akatsukam> Aha! I'll tell wagimoko to buy the next avocadoes in NY, then. <Harry> 9*** L*O*V*E*S AVACADOS *** <Krenon> I don't blame you <Nesssus> Avacados have a strange soapy taste. Did you know that they
are the fruit with the most calories? Even more than sweet lushious strawberries. <Krenon> Strawberries are very low in calorific value <Krenon> As you say, avocadoes are high <Nesssus> Yes, I think Lemons have more calories <fithp> try avocados with bay shrimp. <Redflame> Dried strawberries are to DIE for! <Krenon> Bay shrimp? <Nesssus> Yes, I've had avocados and crabsticks <Redflame> Bay shrimp, are they large? Boiled? <Nesssus> somehow fish and avocado works! <Krenon> They do indeed. <Harry> The breed of the avacado has much to do with the taste. The HASS
variety is oily and somewhat soapy in taste. <Krenon> I don't find them soapy. We have Hass avocadoes <Krenon> I'm fairly eclectic in tastes <Redflame> I don't find them soapy either. Maybe they mean.... slimey,
slick. <Nesssus> I have Tesco's avocados <g> <Harry> Bay shrimp are tiney and usually boiled. Try mashing an avacado
adding a touch of garlic and onion powder and some ground Cumin and mixing Bay
Shrimp into that. Delicious! <Redflame> Next con in Houston: June 14 - 16, ConSortium. GoH Timothy
Zahn. http://www.con-sortium.org/ Anybody planning on coming? :-) <Krenon> The Americans might not understand that <Krenon> Are there any Tesco's in the US? <Akatsukam> Bland and buttery, I'd say. Perhaps a difference in perception? <Harry> What's a Tesco? <Nesssus> A Supermarket <Krenon> A big supermarket chain in the UK <Redflame> Hmm. With Cumin? Just have some.... I made some WONDERFUL Chili
recently, with Cumin, and.... chocolate! <Krenon> Over 300 stores as I've heard. <Harry> Ah. Nope we have (UGH) Safeway instead. <Krenon> They also have Safeway <Redflame> Safeway all closed. Kroger's seems to have taken over. Now,
Albertsons are leaving too. <Harry> Safeway took oer KROGER here... Except for WAL-MART, who still
sells Kroger brand goods. <Harry> I don't like that trend. One store means that your choices get
limited very quickly. <Nesssus> Never heard of Kroger <Harry> So far, Kroger brand has been pretty good quality at a reduiced
price. <Nesssus> I think Walmart also own Asda, another large supermarket chain
over here (uk) <Harry> Fithp? What do you think of the Chinese claim that they are ready
to orbit a man and want to put up a Space Station? <Redflame> When my other lost my single cup coffee filter, I looked in
ever coffee specialty store in New Orleans, and a dozen different chains and
specialty stores in Houston, and FINALLY found them at Albertsons. I've tried
to be faithful since then, but now, they are LEAVING me! *** Andy_L has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi Andy_L <Nesssus> Fithp, any news on Ringworld's Child? <Akatsukam> Afternoon, Andy_L. <Nesssus> Hello Andy <Andy_L> Hi Carol. Glad to be here after so many missed chats. <Krenon> Hi Andy <Harry> Hi Andy. <Andy_L> What's today's hot topic? <Akatsukam> The usual :) <Krenon> I suggested magic but so far it hasn't happened <Redflame> ANyone catch the new Draco Tavern story in REDSHIFT? <Krenon> What's Redshift? <Redflame> Andy, you can plug your wife's upcoming book! <fithp> I have nothing to tell you re Ringworld's
Child, as I'm working on two other novels. <Andy_L> Magic? Plenty to talk about there. <Akatsukam> OK, magic and mana. About them? <Redflame> "Extreme Visions of Speculative Fiction" ed by Sarrantonio <Krenon> I was thinking about Sauron's Ring, and whether it had anything
equivalent to mana in it. <Andy_L> Redshift is sort of "Dangerous visions" for the new
millenium <Redflame> fithp, re RWC, do you even know how many children are involved? <Andy_L> Hmmm. Sauron certainly poured a lot of his power into the Ring <Krenon> So it's a sf anthology <Redflame> Yeah, I've only read that one story though. <Akatsukam> Probably not. Mana is a finite resource, which doesn't appear
to be the case in Arda. <Harry> I would suspect that Sauron's Ring would have a whole BUNCH of
MANA in it. <Krenon> That's it. But did it come out bit by bit with use? <Andy_L> And the whole Tolkien sequence of every declining magic in Middle
Earth fits <Nesssus> Gandalf and Saruman both owned staffs set with Gems, mana stones? <Andy_L> with mana depletion <Krenon> The gradual decline of the elves as a race fits too. <Andy_L> Maybe the Ring was so powerful because Gollum was ineffective
in using up its manna? <Akatsukam> Only if the total amount is trvial compared to the amount
used to date. <Krenon> Elves needed something - arguably similar to mana <fithp> everyone in the novel is shaped by the Ringworld.
Probably I'll retitle it RINGWORLD'S CHILDREN. <Nesssus> The Ring only started growing in power again when Sauron awoke
and started calling to it. <Nesssus> Twins? <Harry> Consider the stones of Far Seeing... Also consider that other
than a stove, the biggest Watt hog in your home is likely to be your TV Set
and or COmputer Monitor. <Krenon> The power of the Ring was always there, but its purpose changed
when Sauron started looking for it <Nesssus> For most of the time that Gollum owned it, Sauron was asleep/discorporated <Andy_L> BTW since Carol mentioned it first, my wife's first book is coming
out soon - no magic or manna, just a little lost loon (Title is "A Loon
Alone" for 4-8 year olds) <Akatsukam> Hmmm. A possible Warlock/KS crossover here? <Andy_L> The Ring needed someone who knew how to use it. <Krenon> Yes and no. Certain beings would never learn how to fully use
it <Redflame> Sounds loony! :-) <ducks quickly> <Andy_L> Meteors have a lot of manna presumably because the inherent manna
in them hasn't been used yet - so space is full of manna <Krenon> But others would, and they would become dark lords if they tried <Harry> I would suspect that the invisibility granted by THE RING was
a default property of it... There were other powers associated with it that
would take MUCH more power. <Nesssus> Larry, how many more Draco Tavern stories do you feel you need
to write before they will be the right length for a dedicated Draco Tavern collection? <Krenon> Good q <Harry> Hmmm, COnsider NASA sending an Indian SHAMAN to the moon? <Akatsukam> Just so, Andy. So, mankind gets into space, and finds mana
available again. <Andy_L> Galadriel essentially suggested that her decline in power was
inevitable unless she took the Ring - maybe it is both a source of manna and
a way to obtain more manna from distant places? <fithp> Re Draco Tavern: Beats me. Eleanor Wood
wants as many as she can get. I would think she'd start sounding out publishers
now. <Krenon> Yeah. Rick Schumann would make an interesting centrepiece for
a TV series <Andy_L> Akatsumka - that would be cool - wizards in space <Redflame> We ALL want as many as we can get! ;-) <Akatsukam> Indeed, we might postulate that EVERY sapient race has gone
thru the mana depletion experience. <fithp> Could you sell the Draco Tavern as the new
Cheers? <Redflame> LOL! <Nesssus> How many SF shows seem to centre around a bar? <Nesssus> DS9 - Quarks Bar <Akatsukam> Human wizards vs. kzinti ones? <Redflame> Every author seem sto have a bar series! <Nesssus> Star Trek TNG: Ten Forward <Andy_L> Dracos - the place where everybody knows your metabolism type <Nesssus> Babylon 5: The Zocalo <Nesssus> the list goes on <fithp> At this time I think I've done under 20
Draco Tavern stories. <Andy_L> DS 9 - Quark's <Harry> Akat. Gasperik's Correlary states that "Any sufficently advanced
form of Magic is indistingishable from Technology". <Akatsukam> Aha! So that's the Outsiders' secret! :) <Nesssus> Harry, that was originally Clarke's but you've got it turned
on its head <Krenon> Oh dear. Our little Tolkien group did discuss Sauron's Ring as
if it were a piece of technology. <Harry> Bars are not politically Correct. It would have a tough time making
it past the NetZecs. <Andy_L> Maybe there's some way to connect manna depletion with the hyperspace/gravity
well exclusion <Akatsukam> As a naturally space-faring species, the Outsiders are in
the idea position to... <Harry> I said it was a Correlary Nessus. <Akatsukam> ...avoid mana depletion. <Andy_L> Krenon - there was an article in SF Weekly a few months back
about the Ring as technology <fithp> The secret is, whatever works, some people
will get better at. Magic that works will be treated as technology. <Redflame> I prefer to think of magic as a form of psychology. <Harry> Kzin would not make good wizards. They'd try to execute the spell
before it ws finished. <Andy_L> Great point fithp - that's another reason to doubt claims of
pyschic powers - there's no transition to the practical <Akatsukam> That not only explains Outsider tech, it explains SCSI drives
as well :) <Andy_L> Maybe only kzin telepaths could use magic. Puppeteers might think
magic too dangerous to mess with <Andy_L> There are valid technical reasons why a chicken sacrifice isrequired
when setting up scsi drives! <Nesssus> ? <Andy_L> Redflame - mob psychology might be a form of magic - did you
ever see "The Music Man"? <Krenon> What has chicken got to do with scsi? What do you use with eide? <Harry> MUSIC MAN Carol? Ever watch the proceedings of COngress? <Redflame> Yes, "Good night my someone good night, my love, sleep
TIGHT my someone sleep tight, my love..." <Andy_L> Chicken gizzards are kind of scuzzy - the connection to scsi
should be clear <Nesssus> maybe virgins, Ted <Harry> WIth IDE you use a goat. <Krenon> And USB? <Nesssus> a pig <Krenon> Nesssus, where does one get THEM these days? <Redflame> GUys at my church have an annual goat roast. However, I do
not think they actaully kill the goat at the time. <Nesssus> the Vatican <Andy_L> Harold Hill takes vague illease among the River City folk and
creates, as if by magic, a marching band, respect for literature and a happier
life for most of the town - he's a witch <Redflame> My brother's pig just had babies. They are about 3 weeks old
now. I could get my mom to bring one down next week.... <Akatsukam> Freshly killed goat tastes terrible. You want it thoroughly
blooded and aged a little first. <Nesssus> I think Ted was asking about Virgins.... <Krenon> I was <Nesssus> Akatsukam, you make a goat sound like a pheasant that needs
to be hung for a while... <Akatsukam> Obvoiusly, technology that relies on sacrificing virgins doesn't
work often enough :) <Redflame> I'd think a half hour soaked in brine or milk would be enough. <Harry> BTW, We finally got some rain here. I was awoken by a crack of
thunder at about 7 Am. Peggy said that the Angels were bowling again. <Andy_L> Speaking of magic as technology - did anyone ever read Walter
Jon Williams' Metropolitan - I recommend it. Manna, he calls "plasm" <Redflame> The pig, not the virgin. <Redflame> I thought that was Thor who liked to bowl! <Akatsukam> Farmed pheasant doesn't really need hanging, although it does
need blooding. <Redflame> Akatsu, when something is "blooded" how long should
it hang? Is half an hour enough? <Nesssus> Larry, is Burning Tower one of the "two novels" that
you are currently working on? If so, what is it's progress? <Akatsukam> Large amountss of blood left the flesh of anything makes it
taste nasty. <Harry> Usually about 6-8 hrs Carol. <fithp> "Burning Tower" is one of the
two, yes. It's going well. Jerry's at a con, so for the moment, it's mine. <Harry> Less in hot weather. <Akatsukam> You want all the blood that will drip out on its own to do
so. Koshering is not necessary. <fithp> The other novel is "Creation Myth".
I'm reading the work Brenda has been doing. <Redflame> So, a goat roast where one actually killed the goat, would
need to be a very long event. <Akatsukam> Oh, to be sure. <Nesssus> Will you be doing any more exploration trips, like the one you
did last October in New Mexico - or is the story almost wrapped up by this stage? <Harry> How has Brend been doing Larry? <Harry> BRENDA! <fithp> Brenda's been doing good work. I've done
little on this first pass...but it's time I got deep into this. <Krenon> brb <Andy_L> brb? <Redflame> Redd, was wondering if "Brend" was a nickname I hadn't
heard before inconnection with her! <Nesssus> Be right back <fithp> Exploration trips: we've done all we need
for Burning Tower. For the probable sequel, we'll need to get into Mexico. <Redflame> Good that it is set in the Americas, and not the middle east! <Nesssus> I hope you like Tequilas.... <Harry> Mexico produces a tolerable Brandy Nessus. <Harry> Infact several. <Redflame> Not liking fermented grains or juices, I'd have to carry a
lot of water, and probably would keep a water boiler on hand too. I've heard
it is the ICE that gets most people! *** xihr has joined #knownspace <Andy_L> A "Brandy Nessus" - sounds like a great mixed drink
- requiring two heads of course <Redflame> Hi xihr <xihr> hello <Nesssus> Hello Eric <xihr> fithp?! <Akatsukam> Afternoon, xihr. <Nesssus> YES! <Harry> Hi xihr <xihr> heh, cool <Andy_L> hey there xihr <xihr> what's up guys <xihr> Nesssus: long time no see <Nesssus> We are talking about Manna and Magic <xihr> as the years go buy you keep adding S's :-) <Nesssus> I'm usually here as Vash too ;-) <Andy_L> Talking about manna in space, future books and goat-killing practices <Redflame> Has anyone here ever heard of "winter wine" what
is supposed to be a form of non-distilled brandy where wine is frozen to remove
excess water? <Harry> The AZTEC Two Step is an Amobic disease Nessus. Amobeas freeze
well and revive well too. <Akatsukam> Yup, Carol. <Harry> Yupper Red. I've even made it. <Andy_L> Redflame - no, but sounds easier than distilling and effective
enough to pack a punch <xihr> bb *** xihr has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) <Redflame> How old is that technique, and where did it originate? *** xihr has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi xihr <Andy_L> Maybe by accident <Harry> You can generally gat a winter wine to about 20-24% 40 Proof. *** Akatsukam has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the bitstream) <Harry> I think it started in France or England. <Andy_L> Guys - I've got to run. It's been great to chat - see you on
the list *** Andy_L has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) <Redflame> I was not trying to imply that winter wine would cause something
to not cause Mentezuma's revenge. I was thinking aobut some mint wine my sister made. I dont' allow alcohol in my house, and Lanae can't drink with
the drugs she is taking, but I was thinking that making it wintter wine would be easy, and SOMEONE else might enjoy the result better. <Harry> I wonder if it would work with Ale? <fithp> winter wine seems straightforward. The dregs
might freeze in the ice too, and alcohol might kill the amoebas. <Redflame> Ale has the fizz. Freezing repeatedly would mess with that. <fithp> Should work with ale and beer, sure. I'm
absolutely guessing, folk. <Redflame> My step father, an engineer with Phillips Petroleum, made winter
wine once. The dregs sunk, and the ice forms on top. from what I remember. <Nesssus> Have you got a favorite tipple, Larry? <Harry> Alcohol WOULD kill the Amoebas Fithp. The Ph isn't right for them
if alcohol is present. <Krenon> De-alcoholising by selective freezing is a bit tricky <fithp> Freeze dried beer. Just add club soda! <Krenon> :-) *** bcooper has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi bcooper <Redflame> Is it Ted? Have you done it. <Nesssus> Hello Brenda <Redflame> Speak of the devil! <bcooper> Hi Carol! I was afriad you all would be done by now <Redflame> I do have to leave early. <fithp> Hello, Brenda <Harry> BRENDA! Great to see you! <bcooper> Me as the devil? <Krenon> No, but I've looked into it. The problem is that the alcohol
is what doesn't freeze so you have to get the liquid out while retaining the
solids, at -10 C or less. <Krenon> Hi Brenda <Redflame> We were talking about you. <fithp> I'm halfway through Creation Myth. It's
a lot smoother...and I'll not go into detail for the mob. <bcooper> Hi Larry, Harry. Glad to hear Myth is better - lot's of work! <Nesssus> we don't mind spoilers..... <g> <Redflame> Mob? Us? But we have established that mobs are FULL of magic! *** gfish has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi gfish <gfish> Heya <Harry> Hi Matthew! <gfish> Sorry, had to go run some errands. <Redflame> Is it something about beautiful spring weather that makes everyone
want to come inside and sit at their computers? :-) <Nesssus> Welcome back Matt <Krenon> Hi Matt <bcooper> It's not beautiful spring weather up here! It's raining in Seattle. <Nesssus> I don't know about beautiful spring weather, its been blowing
one hell of a gale here today. <bcooper> You must be in the nice place Redflame <Harry> It was BEAUTIFUL here thismorning. We GOt RAIN! <Krenon> Well it's a fantastic autumn day here in Sydney *** SteveS has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi SteveS <SteveS> Hi, all! <Nesssus> Hello Steve <Harry> HI Steve. <bcooper> Hi Steve <xihr> mid-60s, partially cloudy in the Bay Area <Redflame> I actaully wnet outside and worked in the yard. It was perfect <fithp> I just opened my blinds. The day is bright
but cloudy. <xihr> here it's not that cloudy but not bright for some reason either <xihr> your average confused Northern California winter day <Redflame> My favorite, next to heavy shade. Beleive it or not, I'm not
a sun worshipper. <SteveS> It's bright but a little chillier than usual this time of the
year. <xihr> rain frightens us here in the Bay Area <Nesssus> back in a sec <Redflame> LOL! *** Nesssus has quit IRC (Quit: ) <gfish> Not raining in my part of Seattle. Nice sunny day. <fithp> I've never really tried to nail down what
you worship, Redflame. <xihr> when it rains we think we're being punished and drive erratically <bcooper> Well, then don't move to Seattle - we worship the sun whenever
it shows up. It's such a rare occurence it must be a sign from God. <xihr> fithp: are you all recovered from your injury? <Harry> Something just occured to me Fithp. The Earth's mass is growing
by about 1,000,000 tons a day due to the collection of Micrometeorites. The
MANA will NEVER go completely away! *** Vash has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi Vash <fithp> I am recovered from all injuries, especially
the torn knee. If I can hike, it's healed enough. <Redflame> LOL. In that case, I might make exceptions. My eyes are just
so sensitive to light. Maybe I'm actaully a vampire, or some other creature
of the night. <Vash> back! <Harry> Wb Vash <xihr> fithp: good to hear *** Vash is now known as Nesssus <fithp> Yes, of COURSE manna resides in meteorites.
Griffith Park Observatory must be (and is) a very magical place. <bcooper> I was late to the party - did you all talk about today's announcement
of likely chlorophyll on Mars? <Redflame> No! <Redflame> Bring it up! <SteveS> Chlorophyll on Mars?! <xihr> yeah, I scanned past that as well <Krenon> Do creative artists, including writers, absorb mana in their
creative activity? <Nesssus> no - I've not checked my email since this morning. <Harry> Now THAT is interesting! <Nesssus> 2010 was Chlorophyll on Europa <Harry> Where's the article Brenda? <xihr> yes <bcooper> They are saying there a number of likely spots. More to be announced
at a conference in San Jose this week - NASA's astrobiology conference. See
CNN for article <Redflame> Yes.... Artists are also vampiric in nature, drawing creative
energy/life force from those around them. <Nesssus> Is that in the Mars rock, Brenda? <Nesssus> Or have they found another source? <gfish> It was in spectroscopic analysis of Pathfinder images. <gfish> Which seems like pretty weak evidence to me. <xihr> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1913000/1913228.stm <bcooper> Krenon: We hope for mana! <Harry> OMG! There goe the Creation Myths... Nobody tell the Baptist Church! <bcooper> Yes, it's weak evidence - but the original vidence for water
was weak too. I am hopeful. <Redflame> Peter says that he heard about that rumor, and that it was
too early to get excited about it. <Krenon> Feminists might want to say persona :-) <fithp> okay if I get excited early? <Redflame> fithp, YOU can get excited any time you want! <bcooper> Yes, too early. I was trying to go to the conference, but I
am stuck in seattle. Now I want to be there twice as badly. <Redflame> conference... space access? <bcooper> Fithp: ditto redflame <bcooper> No - the astrobiology conference. Next week, San Jose. Science
fiction night on Wednesday, lots of stuff that would go over my head the other
days, but I'd get some of it. <fithp> We're booked for a wedding, a birthday,
and a lot of traveling during the Space Access window. I'm going to miss it. <Krenon> :-( <Redflame> "A wedding, a birthday, and a lot of traveling" sounds
like a new movie. *** gfish has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** Harry has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** Nesssus has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** xihr has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) <Krenon> Hullo! Why did they all go? <fithp> Have fun at the astrobiology event, Brenda.
Nobody ever absorbs all of the data. <Redflame> Oh, lots of people got bumped. <bcooper> Wow - bye everyone! <SteveS> Starring Hugh Grant! <Krenon> Must have been on a server that went down <Redflame> I'm sure they will be back. *** Nesssus has joined #knownspace *** gfish has joined #knownspace *** xihr has joined #knownspace *** Harry has joined #knownspace <Krenon> There they are <Harry> Grief! <Krenon> Magic :-D <gfish> Re <Harry> WB All! <Nesssus> oh you are all back <Nesssus> We just suffered a netsplit <fithp> folk, it has become my lunchtime. Fare you
well. <Nesssus> that is where the IRC servers lose contact with each other <Krenon> Bye <Redflame> Hi Nesssus <Redflame> Hi gfish <Redflame> Hi xihr <Redflame> Hi Harry <Harry> Interesting article Brenda... I wonder what else would match the
spectral signature of Chlorophyll? <Nesssus> Goodbye Larry <Krenon> Catch you at ConJose <xihr> fithp: see you <SteveS> Bon apetit, Larry! :-) <Nesssus> It was a pleasure having you here <xihr> Redflame: I had a feeling your greetings were automated :-) <bcooper> Is gfish Mathew Dockrey? He was on the list once, and anyway,
I heard his group (escape key) at Norwescon. They were good. <Redflame> Larry, Peter asks you a ?? <Harry> Adios Larry. Have a good one. <Nesssus> Brenda, yes. <gfish> Yes, I am he. And thanks. :) <Redflame> He wonders if you know of a SF writer who still uses word star. <bcooper> Bye Larry - have a super day! <gfish> I'm still on the list, I just don't post as often. <Krenon> I use a bit of one of Michelle's songs as an opening on my computer <bcooper> Well, I never post. Got your CD - it's good! <Harry> Red, I'd use Q&A WRITE 4.0 if I could find a copy. <fithp> Redflame, I have no idea who uses wordstar. <SteveS> I think I may have an old copy of Q&A Write on a floppy somewhere. <bcooper> One of the people in my writing group does - Renee Stern. <Krenon> Gone - like the Outsiders in their inertialess drive. <Redflame> Peter says he was surfing recently, and someone was telling
about *** gfish has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** Harry has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** xihr has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) *** Nesssus has quit IRC (USE.ChatNet.Org USC.ChatNet.Org) <Krenon> They split again <bcooper> Wow - these guys don't get to stay long. What's a netsplit anyway? <Krenon> Some mysterious esoteric attribute of IRC I presume *** Ness_food has joined #knownspace *** gfish has joined #knownspace *** xihr has joined #knownspace *** Harry has joined #knownspace <Krenon> Either that or we have a witch operating :-) <Redflame> Hi Ness_food <Redflame> Hi gfish <Redflame> Hi xihr <Redflame> Hi Harry <Harry> Wb all. <SteveS> Since IRC uses several different servers, I'm guessing that some
servers connected to a given room split away and form their own rooms <Krenon> Naaa - it's definitely magic. <bcooper> Magic sounds better <Krenon> But you didn't hide your broom or cat <Harry> ?? *** Ness_food is now known as Nesssus <SteveS> Brooms and cats can be innocent, and wands can't? <Nesssus> Hello? <bcooper> Hello.... <Krenon> Hi <bcooper> If that's magic, then the computers are using Mana as fast as
outer space is feeding us... <Harry> Here Nessus. <Nesssus> I'm going to change servers <Harry> -k- <Redflame> My broom, I'm going to throw away my favorite magic broom that
I used in our wedding. It is falling apart, and I'd rather not add repairing
my broom to my list of responsibilities. *** Nesssus has quit IRC (Quit: ) <Krenon> In one of the later "History of Middle Earth" series
(Christopher Tolkien publishing every word his father ever wrote), referred
to Morgoth having "squanderes his being" on corrupting Middle-earth <Redflame> Even the QUEEN has a wand. They just call it a septer. <Krenon> meaning he had a lot of something the equivalent of mana, and
he wasted it *** nesssus has joined #knownspace <Redflame> Hi nesssus <nesssus> That's better <bcooper> Well - you can keep a little bity of the broom (like some bristles?)
and decorate a new one - transfer the magic! Easy. <Krenon> I can't remember any mention of the broom in your wedding. <Harry> So Red. ANything now on RAWA? <nesssus> shouldn't that be the Groom at the wedding? <Harry> Am I alone here? <bcooper> Good question Harry -- <Redflame> No, I"m here, just can't quite talking.... <Harry> Cats aren't the only familiers Krenon, just the best ones. <nesssus> Only SETI can answer that one..... <Redflame> Broom, Good idea, Brenda. Esp the bow is worth keeping. <Krenon> Have you all seen Carol's wedding page? <Redflame> We jumped over the broom just before the pronouncements. <Harry> You going for a NIMBUS 2002 Red? <SteveS> Why isn't Richard Dean Anderson selling something useful like
Stargate access, instead of lame long-distance phone cards? <Redflame> Rawa recently sponcored a sporting event. I'll forward you
the announcemnt if you like. <bcooper> Are things getting better for them there? There's so much I
read about that makes me glad I'm here! <Harry> The binding works better than the straws Brenda. Magic Threads! <bcooper> Ah - good idea. Utility probably depends on what the binding
is made of on her particular broom. <Krenon> brb <Redflame> The Northern ALiiance is little, if any, better than the Taliban. <Harry> Red? Would you please send me the RAWA links? I want to post them
on a couple of chat rooms. <Harry> And there's no wonder about that Red. ALl the progress made in
Afghanistan was wiped out by the Russians and the Taliban. <Redflame> They usually list links at the bottom of every letter they
send out. <bcooper> How are they no better (I suspected ) <SteveS> What is RAWA? <Redflame> One letter they sent out told about the Northern Alliance killing
Pushtun babies they oulled from the arms of of their crying mothers. <Redflame> A women's group in Afghanistan. <bcooper> Ouch. <SteveS> Ah. <Harry> Remember Red, the Northern Alliance is a GROUP not a single body.
Tribal hatreds die Hard in places like afghanistan/ <SteveS> I didn't know that, but I'm not exactly surprised. <Redflame> Yes, they are all very very predjudiced over there. <Harry> Much of that country is still at the 14th century level. <bcooper> Humans ARE usually crueler and.or stupoder in groups than as
individuals. <bcooper> Stupider - is that a word anyway --? But you get the idea. <Redflame> The new "government" is still not giving any political
power to the women. They need to stop treating the women worse than slaves. <Harry> Truly Brenda. I've seen people do things as groups they would
NEVER consider as individuals. <Harry> Errr Red? One thing that no Western GOvernment has taken into
account. Slavery still exists in the world and FLOURISHED in Islamic cultures. <bcooper> Red: If they are at least getting health care and education,
then the rest will have to follow, I hope. Too much change too fast might not
work, no matter how bad the thought of less than prefect freedom <Harry> FLOURSHIES! <bcooper> FLOURISHES. Article in a recnt magazine - I don't remember which
one. <Harry> Too much change too fast NEVER works. It just produces backlash.
SOmething that American Feminists have never learned. <Harry> You know that Money Grab going on by those Black Activeists? I
wonder if they KNOW that the enslavement of blacks is still going on in Africa.. <Harry> Of course, it's being done by other Blacks, so maybe that dosen't
count. <bcooper> That's alittle simplistic. I know some black activists, and
not all of them are thrilled by the suit, nor do they ignore the slavery. Same
issue as with the afghani's - group behavior. <Redflame> Too much change too fast may not be good for MEN, but it is
usually much better for women. <SteveS> I don't know about that, since I've read tht a lot of support
fror female genital mutilation comes from the women themselves. <bcooper> Yes, women are good at change. But political change is best
done more slowly, espacially in a fragmented poor place. Knowledge and education,
exposure to modern ideas - those will matter a lot in the long run. <Harry> I can't think of a culture where too rapid a change (Not just
about the treatment of gender either) hasn't had some catistrophic results Red. <Harry> Slower chang worked in Iran and is STILL working. <Redflame> I'm supposed to be leaving for a concert, and I have NO idea
where it is, and neither does anyone else here, so I have to try to figure it
out. <Harry> -k- Red. ENjoy! <bcooper> It's hard to see women (or anyone) disenfrashed from things
we think of as basic. <bcooper> By Red. I've got to go too. Have fun at the concert! <Redflame> RIght now, I'd rather just send everyone away and be by myself. <Krenon> Bye Brenda <Redflame> TY, nice talking to you Brenda. See you at Con Jose? <bcooper> Well, maybe it will be a good concert. <xihr> later *** xihr has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) <Harry> Brenda, a truth is, that it is hard to envision ANYTHING unless
you spend a lot of time at it or go there and see it first hand. <Harry> Adios Brenda <SteveS> Bye, Carol and Brenda! <bcooper> I'll be at conjose. Bye all! *** bcooper has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) <Harry> I should go too. Time for pain Meds. <Harry> Adios all. <Krenon> Bye <SteveS> Bye, Frank! <Harry> Adios Krenon, Steve. <Harry> 1-gone= *** Harry has left #knownspace <Krenon> BOO!! *** gfish has quit IRC (Quit: Client Exiting) <Krenon> Scared him off :-) <Krenon> I think it might be about time to wrap this up <SteveS> <g> <SteveS> Yup, looks like it. <SteveS> I can't believe I was at the grocery store most of the time Larry
was here... <Krenon> We have the whole thing on log anyway <Krenon> Or I do, don't know about the others. <Krenon> Nobody seemed to expect him to show up <SteveS> Yeah, that's true. <Krenon> I suppose he likes to pay his respects to his fans occasionally <Redflame> Bye..... *** Redflame has quit IRC (Quit: See you later! Gotta go do mommy things.) <Krenon> Bye Carol *** Krenon is now known as Krenon_monitor <nesssus> I'm going to be off too <nesssus> bye steve *** nesssus has quit IRC (Quit: ) <SteveS> Night, Nesssus! *** SteveS has quit IRC (Quit: ) <Krenon_monitor> Bye bye bye