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Saturday, 1 February, 2014 - 12:00am

2014-02-01 09:28:17 : <sean> .weather klou
2014-02-01 09:28:18 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 48.2â„‰ (9â„ƒ), 29.98in (1012mb), Light breeze 6kt (â†‘) - KLOU 13:53Z
2014-02-01 10:27:30 : <johnmanyjars> So sean, what about these idiots who've never seen snow?
2014-02-01 10:27:39 : <johnmanyjars> http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/fakesnow.asp
2014-02-01 11:14:29 : <sean> first I have heard about it.
2014-02-01 11:14:33 : <sean> .weather klou
2014-02-01 11:14:37 : <Outsider> Overcast â˜, 51.8â„‰ (11â„ƒ), 29.96in (1011mb), Gentle breeze 9kt (â†‘) - KLOU 15:53Z
2014-02-01 11:14:51 : <sean> time to get cleaned up and go wash vehicles.
2014-02-01 11:15:15 : <sean> my formerly tardis colored explorer is a salty white color.
2014-02-01 12:05:15 : <fredskue_> sheen actually said what?
2014-02-01 12:05:47 : <fredskue_> ah, found it
2014-02-01 12:57:28 : "Lensman" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 13:07:49 : <fredskue_> Hey, how come Sheen didn't include Lensman in his rant?
2014-02-01 13:39:00 : <sean> .weather 40601
2014-02-01 13:39:01 : <Outsider> KeyError: 'geonames' (file "/home/logbot/phenny/modules/weather.py", line 38, in location)
2014-02-01 13:39:08 : <sean> .weather klou
2014-02-01 13:39:09 : <Outsider> Clear â˜¼, 57.2â„‰ (14â„ƒ), 29.92in (1010mb), Moderate breeze 12kt (â†‘) - KLOU 17:53Z
2014-02-01 13:52:30 : <sean> don't blink
2014-02-01 13:53:02 : <fredskue_> .weather 85251
2014-02-01 13:53:03 : <Outsider> KeyError: 'geonames' (file "/home/logbot/phenny/modules/weather.py", line 38, in location)
2014-02-01 13:53:16 : <fredskue_> .weather kphx
2014-02-01 13:53:17 : <Outsider> Cloudy, 57.2â„‰ (14â„ƒ), 29.90in (1009mb), Gentle breeze 10kt (â†‘) - KPHX 17:51Z
2014-02-01 13:53:37 : <fredskue_> uh
2014-02-01 13:53:47 : <fredskue_> your weather and mine is basically identical?
2014-02-01 13:54:02 : <sean> not for long. probably snow by morning
2014-02-01 13:54:19 : <fredskue_> the chat is in 5 minutes or 65 minutes?
2014-02-01 13:54:25 : <sean> 65
2014-02-01 13:54:37 : <fredskue_> silly daylight saving people :)
2014-02-01 13:54:47 : <fredskue_> I told Carol, and alerted Goffan
2014-02-01 14:00:40 : <sean> daylight savings should go away.
2014-02-01 14:03:41 : <Lensman> ...they knew the daylight should have been spaced.
2014-02-01 14:15:59 : <johnmanyjars> no snow here
2014-02-01 14:26:01 : <sean> hippy has appeared online. wish him luck.
2014-02-01 14:27:15 : <fredskue_> good luck hippy
2014-02-01 14:29:30 : "Hippy" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 14:30:01 : <Hippy> Morning, everyone
2014-02-01 14:34:13 : <sean> good to see you could make it in.
2014-02-01 14:34:42 : <Lensman> Enough snow here to cover the ground. Fortunately not enough to make the roads sunsafe.
2014-02-01 14:35:04 : <Lensman> Good afternoon, Hippy. Hello, fen.
2014-02-01 14:35:55 : "NickE" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 14:36:04 : <Lensman> Is Hippy still having problems being booted off unceremoniously?
2014-02-01 14:36:29 : <Lensman> Next time he's booted, he should demand a ceremony.
2014-02-01 14:36:29 : <NickE> evening
2014-02-01 14:37:35 : <Lensman> Hmmm... Hippy thinks it's morning, I think it's afternoon, Nick thinks it's evening. You'd think we were on an O'Neill colony or some such... :)
2014-02-01 14:37:43 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 14:37:56 : <NickE> no, just a regular rock
2014-02-01 14:38:04 : <Hippy> We're on a neutron star. It rotates completely before we cn finish the sentence
2014-02-01 14:38:12 : <NickE> well, semi oblate sheroid rock
2014-02-01 14:38:51 : <Lensman> Hippy: That would do it all right!
2014-02-01 14:38:57 : <Hippy> Actually, Lens (and hello, by the way) the problem has been connecting, but at the moment I'm on a landline modem so all is well
2014-02-01 14:39:32 : <Hippy> Semi oblate?
2014-02-01 14:39:48 : <NickE> *typing will be slow and worse than usual as am having to hold power lead in manually (should be ok once it charges enough)
2014-02-01 14:39:56 : <Lensman> Pulsars roatate at, what, 2-3 times a second? But presumably we're on an older neutron star that's less engergetic and rotates a bit slower.
2014-02-01 14:40:13 : <NickE> yeah that doesnt make semse 0 oblate spheroid then
2014-02-01 14:40:58 : <Lensman> Sure, semi-oblate. Slightly pear-shaped.
2014-02-01 14:41:13 : <Hippy> Maybe we're on a rock tidally affected by a ball of gas, so that the oblation(?) is only toward our primary
2014-02-01 14:41:34 : <NickE> actually that s a pretty fair descroiption of teh soio economic situation
2014-02-01 14:42:28 : <Hippy> It is if you're in that bracket that has to hold power cords in manually. Where's your wife while all this is going on?
2014-02-01 14:42:45 : <Lensman> Isn't that what kids are for?
2014-02-01 14:43:09 : <Hippy> Yes! Good example, Lens
2014-02-01 14:43:28 : <Hippy> Where are your semi oblate kids, Nick?
2014-02-01 14:43:43 : <Lensman> "Hey, boy, hold this cord motionless for four hours, and I'll give you a cookie." Cheap labor!
2014-02-01 14:44:08 : <NickE> One at Uni, one out getting drunkl, one at a party - only my eldest daughter home tonight
2014-02-01 14:44:25 : <NickE> and shes too bright to fall for that'
2014-02-01 14:44:33 : <Lensman> Hippy: Anyway, slightly more seriously, I'm glad you isolated the problem.
2014-02-01 14:45:13 : <Lensman> Well, the fallback position is "Hold this cord motionless for four hours, or you're grounded for a month."
2014-02-01 14:46:00 : <Lensman> Either the carrot or the stick.
2014-02-01 14:46:31 : <Hippy> I also solved the prolm of why the kettle wasn't boiling by plugging the cord in - manually.
is shamefaced
2014-02-01 14:46:41 : <NickE> my kids are all old enough to tell me to fuck off :-)
2014-02-01 14:47:08 : <Lensman> I don't think the problem is age... :)
2014-02-01 14:47:18 : <Hippy> Four kids, too. Have you found out what's causing it?
2014-02-01 14:47:20 : <NickE> if i asks something that would be taking th piss
2014-02-01 14:47:50 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 14:47:51 : <Lensman> Well, if you haven't figured out what causes kids, then it's likely that they'll continue to appear from time to time...
2014-02-01 14:49:14 : <Lensman> I'm just having a hard time figuring out why Hippy is using his 'puter to power his teakettle.
2014-02-01 14:49:17 : <NickE> I bloody hope not! (Have taken steps many years back And turns out you don't need to shave!)
2014-02-01 14:50:28 : <Hippy> Lens, because the U stands for Universal (Serial Bus)
2014-02-01 14:50:38 : <Lensman> I think the topic for today should be "Adventures in Non-Sequitur-ism"
2014-02-01 14:51:03 : <Hippy> Followed by 'Attack of the Zombie Camels'
2014-02-01 14:51:52 : <Hippy> Anyway, Lens, where have you been the last couple of chats? You were conspicuous by your absence
2014-02-01 14:52:16 : <Lensman> Finally saw "World War Z", rented from NetFlix. Entertaining, but if they're hyper-active, why are they "zombies"??
2014-02-01 14:52:45 : <Hippy> Yes, good point, Lens
2014-02-01 14:53:05 : <Hippy> Where has the obsession with fast-paced zombies come from?
2014-02-01 14:53:59 : <fredskue_> in THE WALKING DEAD the zombies move at the speed of plot
2014-02-01 14:54:01 : <NickE> Mate of mine is making a movie "Zombie-Con" zombies at a Comiccon (my guess is they wouldn't last long- nerds too clued up on doubletapping etc)
2014-02-01 14:54:04 : <Lensman> Hippy: I thank you for your concern! Well, I confess my memory is getting worse as I slip not-so-gracefully into Senior Citizen status. And occasionally there are other things going on in this house on the First Saturday of the month. My video movie group, Laser Rangers, usually meets the 2nd Saturday, but occasionally it has to be moved to avoid conflict.
2014-02-01 14:54:09 : "Dan" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 14:54:16 : <NickE> Hi Dan!
2014-02-01 14:54:19 : <Hippy> Hi, Dan
2014-02-01 14:54:22 : <fredskue_> they can also apparently teleport en masse
2014-02-01 14:54:23 : <Dan> Hi there!
2014-02-01 14:54:24 : <fredskue_> hey Dan
2014-02-01 14:55:24 : <fredskue_> Anybody interested in hearing a tale of malfeasance and treachery regarding me and the Walt Disney company, currently unfolding?
2014-02-01 14:55:27 : <Hippy> Zombies or Laser Rangers?
2014-02-01 14:56:03 : <Hippy> I certainly am. It will btighyrn an otherwise torpif and hungover Sunday
2014-02-01 14:56:25 : <Lensman> Hippy: I guess that horror movie directors got tired of the same ol' same ol', and decided hyperactive zombies would be more menacing. Bizarrely, tho, in the movie "World War Z", one of the most suspenseful scenes is where the zombies are moving very slowly indeed. I guess they are as active or inactive as the plot requires for that particular scene. I haven't read the book, but I understand it doesn't have hyper-active zombies.
2014-02-01 14:57:15 : <Lensman> The first time I saw hyper-active zombies was in the Will Smith "re-imagining" of "I Am Legend". Dunno if that was the first movie to use that concept.
2014-02-01 14:57:25 : <Hippy> I have heard that the book is very ineptly written and a painful experience, so haven't read it yet.
2014-02-01 14:58:12 : <Hippy> So, anyway, Fred?
2014-02-01 14:58:38 : <fredskue_> k
2014-02-01 14:58:39 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/Screen%20Shot%202014-02-01%...
2014-02-01 14:58:43 : <NickE> I shan't biother; Walking dead - got bored with very quickly and suspect too many Z moves too fast is a bad thing. But Zomnbieland was awesome
2014-02-01 14:58:45 : <fredskue_> was getting you a link :D
2014-02-01 14:59:21 : <Dan> I've read it. It is presented more as a diary of events rather than an actual story. Not bad, really. Well done for the literary device used, in fact.
2014-02-01 14:59:26 : <Lensman> I tried to watch "Walking Dead" but it was just a soap opera where all the characters whined, with zombies. *Snore*
2014-02-01 14:59:38 : <fredskue_> so some weeks ago I was contacted by a friend, who builds cool stuff, and had a client that wanted a half a Nautilus, mounted to a wooden plaque like Billy Bass
2014-02-01 14:59:48 : <NickE> ah, guessing this is a cgi Natuilus
2014-02-01 15:00:00 : <fredskue_> CGI built for 3D printout
2014-02-01 15:00:21 : <NickE> ok, makes sense
2014-02-01 15:00:34 : <Lensman> I understand the book is pretty popular; surprised to hear Hippy say it's poorly written. Of course, one doesn't necessarily preclude the other; witness "Fifty Shades of Grey".
2014-02-01 15:00:56 : <fredskue_> so he asked me, as I have some level of notoriety in this area
2014-02-01 15:01:09 : <sean> I have it on the kindle but have not read it.
2014-02-01 15:01:10 : <NickE> Really? :-)
2014-02-01 15:01:11 : <Hippy> Ah, but I only heard it was poorly written. Dan has actually read it
2014-02-01 15:01:15 : <fredskue_> I had no details at first, was just helping a friend
2014-02-01 15:01:32 : <NickE> cant see a prob with that
2014-02-01 15:01:51 : <fredskue_> turns out there's several levels of client, but ultimately the end user was Disney
2014-02-01 15:02:10 : <Hippy> Ah...
2014-02-01 15:02:12 : <NickE> muthafuka
2014-02-01 15:02:21 : <fredskue_> so about Jan 10, they ask for a progress report
2014-02-01 15:02:30 : <Dan> As I said, once you accept the premise that it is a selection of diary entries, it isn't at all bad. But I can well understand that someone who is expecting an actual story might not like it.
2014-02-01 15:02:31 : <fredskue_> and I gave them this
2014-02-01 15:03:22 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-12%...
2014-02-01 15:03:29 : "Larry" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 15:03:33 : <Lensman> -<Lensman was envisioning either the front or back half of the /Nautilus/ mounted on a plaque, and was having problems understanding what kind of wacko would want that... but now he understands this would be the left or right side, mounted flat against the plaque.
2014-02-01 15:03:34 : <fredskue_> Hi Larry!
2014-02-01 15:03:38 : <Hippy> HI, Larry!
2014-02-01 15:03:45 : <NickE> Hi Larry!
2014-02-01 15:03:45 : <Dan> Hello, Larry! Nice to see you again!
2014-02-01 15:03:51 : <Lensman> Welcome Larry!
2014-02-01 15:03:52 : <fredskue_> Correct, Lens, starboard side
2014-02-01 15:04:10 : <Larry> hi, y'all
2014-02-01 15:04:15 : <NickE> neat idea actually
2014-02-01 15:04:53 : <Hippy> Looks pretty damn good, Fred
2014-02-01 15:05:01 : <fredskue_> that's what disney thought
2014-02-01 15:05:07 : <Lensman> I read the Wikipedia entry on "World War Z" so I already know it's a series of diary entries; like "Dracula" rather than structured like a traditional novel.
2014-02-01 15:05:11 : <Larry> Still a nice image: the Nautilus's arse poking out of a plaque, set up by someone who just didn't get it.
2014-02-01 15:05:17 : <fredskue_> they loved it so much they demanded it in 7 days, a month early
2014-02-01 15:05:23 : <Dan> I've written *part* of a novel with that "diary" angle. It's difficult to keep going once a real story idea hit and starts to dictate itself to you. LOL!
2014-02-01 15:06:03 : <NickE> how understanding of them - given that I assume rteher ws no contarct as such
2014-02-01 15:06:15 : <fredskue_> So I pulled all nighters and got them a rivetless low detail one, that they had some clown slap some paint on and glue it a truly unispired hunk of wood
2014-02-01 15:06:46 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/20140117_030657.jpg
2014-02-01 15:06:54 : <Lensman> Dan: Even as little fiction as I've written, I can well understand that! I guess you'd have to have it pretty tightly outlined before you start to keep to that format.
2014-02-01 15:07:28 : <fredskue_> so they loved THAT so much, they decided to mass produce them and sell them in a gallery on Main Street in Disneyland
2014-02-01 15:07:33 : <Dan> I did enjoy the "Zombie Survival Guide" on several different levels, so I thought I'd give WWZ a chance once the book came out. As I said, not bad. Not mind-bogglingly good, but not bad.
2014-02-01 15:08:03 : <fredskue_> albeit with rivets and such
2014-02-01 15:09:00 : <NickE> damn - gotta eat back innna bit
2014-02-01 15:09:02 : <fredskue_> which is fairly flattering, and good for my friend
2014-02-01 15:09:22 : <fredskue_> so a couple days ago another friend sends me some links to announcements for a Disney event
2014-02-01 15:09:43 : <Lensman> Speaking as a woodworker, that looks like cherry, which is my favorite wood. Rather plain for a display plaque, tho. It needs to have the edges prettied up with bevels or ogee routing.
2014-02-01 15:09:43 : <Dan> Now that I'm halfway through the edits and rewrites for my first short story collection, I can well understand why someone would be willing to pay someone else to edit, LOL! Writing is easy by omparison to editing! :)
2014-02-01 15:09:48 : <Hippy> Oh, no...I can see where this is going
2014-02-01 15:10:02 : <fredskue_> come and see the Nautilus plaque and meet the man who's hand sculpting them and have him autograph them for you!
2014-02-01 15:10:16 : <fredskue_> and my friend says 'um, that sure looks like your boat'
2014-02-01 15:10:41 : <fredskue_> and in fact they're using the picture I linked to above in their ad; not the one on wood, but the brass CGI render
2014-02-01 15:10:59 : <fredskue_> and the guy hand sculpting them is the guy that glued it to that hunk of wood
2014-02-01 15:11:15 : <Dan> BRB, need more coffee...
2014-02-01 15:11:19 : <fredskue_> Needless to say, I was unamused
2014-02-01 15:11:35 : <Hippy> Are you contemplating legal action?
2014-02-01 15:11:36 : <Larry> This is where I'd turn it over to an agent or maybe a lawyer.
2014-02-01 15:11:47 : <sean> me too.
2014-02-01 15:11:48 : <fredskue_> turns out that only 'registered Disney artist' can have their work sold at Disneylan
2014-02-01 15:11:51 : <fredskue_> d
2014-02-01 15:11:56 : <Lensman> Dan: I wish someone would have told me that writing is easy compared to editing before I agreed to helm the "40th Anniversary of Ringworld" project for Tor.com. Great FooFoo I had no idea how time-consuming that would be! And just for a series of short articles.
2014-02-01 15:12:14 : <fredskue_> So they just pick out this clown, who, literally, paints Elvis on black velvet for a living
2014-02-01 15:12:28 : <fredskue_> and credit him with it
2014-02-01 15:12:36 : <fredskue_> and my friend knew all the time
2014-02-01 15:12:45 : <NickE> some friend
2014-02-01 15:12:45 : <fredskue_> apparently this is standard practice
2014-02-01 15:12:55 : <fredskue_> while I'm thinking it's more criminal fraud
2014-02-01 15:13:23 : <fredskue_> Larry, the problem is, I don't think I have a case against Disney
2014-02-01 15:13:29 : <fredskue_> I'd have to sue my friend
2014-02-01 15:13:36 : <fredskue_> and he'd have to sue an intermediate
2014-02-01 15:13:42 : <Lensman> Fred, definitely sounds like a case where they should be threatened with a lawyer.
2014-02-01 15:13:43 : <fredskue_> who would sue another intermediate
2014-02-01 15:13:51 : <fredskue_> who would go after Disney
2014-02-01 15:14:07 : <Larry> Uh huh. Usually the answer is to avoid courtroom dramas.
2014-02-01 15:14:12 : <fredskue_> and if it's true this is standard practice at the gallery
2014-02-01 15:14:39 : <fredskue_> I really only have a case against the guy I was trying to help in the first place
2014-02-01 15:14:53 : <Lensman> I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps you can name all of them in a threatened lawsuit, then settle out of court with your friend. Hopefully settle out of court with Disney too; but make them pay thru the nose.
2014-02-01 15:15:01 : <Dan> And I do believe that Disney can afford a whole raft of lawyers who would make sure no one but themselves would profit from the exercise. :)
2014-02-01 15:15:13 : <fredskue_> I am going to make TANJ sure that everybody in the world knows who's boat that is
2014-02-01 15:15:24 : <sean> of course
2014-02-01 15:15:27 : <fredskue_> Dan, not only do they have rafts of lawyers
2014-02-01 15:15:31 : <fredskue_> they have black helicopters
2014-02-01 15:15:40 : <fredskue_> just erase me from the timeline
2014-02-01 15:16:06 : <Larry> is he gone?
2014-02-01 15:16:07 : <fredskue_> I'm just dumbstruck
2014-02-01 15:16:09 : <fredskue_> heh
2014-02-01 15:16:22 : <fredskue_> I should have left, damn, missed my cue
2014-02-01 15:16:33 : <Dan> We could just write you back in, Fred. But I doubt I'm good enough to get every detail right. :)
2014-02-01 15:16:39 : <sean> I will have to get my tin foil hat out of the closet.
2014-02-01 15:16:48 : <fredskue_> One plan is to go, and buy one, and then sue them for fraud
2014-02-01 15:17:09 : <fredskue_> since it's neither hand sculpted nor done by the guy they claim
2014-02-01 15:17:12 : <Dan> It'd have to be a group effort.
2014-02-01 15:17:16 : <Lensman> Dan: Well, that's a good point. As litiginous as Disney is, they might not agree to a reasonable out of court settlement. They might decide that so long as they have all those lawyers on salary, they might as well put 'em to work, and make you give up by out-spending you.
2014-02-01 15:17:37 : <fredskue_> another is to rearrange the rivets to spell, shall we say, interesting things
2014-02-01 15:18:12 : <Lensman> LOL
2014-02-01 15:18:26 : <Dan> Lens, as I understand it, that is the entire reason some lawyers exist, wo out-spend anyone who objects to some deplorable action.
2014-02-01 15:18:33 : <fredskue_> not many people know that the real rivet pattern *already* spells words
2014-02-01 15:18:43 : <fredskue_> like GOFF, the designer
2014-02-01 15:19:56 : <Larry> that was a conversation stopper.
2014-02-01 15:20:04 : <Dan> So, Larry, what's the latest project and how is it going?
2014-02-01 15:20:11 : <Larry> Other messages?
2014-02-01 15:20:14 : <fredskue_> anyway, this is how my career ends, with a gala event at Disneyland, selling my Nautilus as a fine art piece, under the name Javier Soto
2014-02-01 15:20:35 : <fredskue_> Now, back to your regularly scheduled Niven chat!
2014-02-01 15:20:49 : <Lensman> I have a friend who is "really into" the Disney /Nautilus/. Has several models-- a collector, not a builder-- and was a heavy participant on the online Nautilus forum before it was shut down. I will have to ask if he knows where the "GOFF" rivet pattern is.
2014-02-01 15:21:33 : <Larry> I dreamed a had a host of projects; needed to alert my agent and alll collaborators. We don't dream up a lottery number; we dream we had one.
2014-02-01 15:21:37 : <fredskue_> If he was on DisneySub, he's likely on it's replacement, nautilussubmarine
2014-02-01 15:22:12 : <Dan> That is so true, Larry! :)
2014-02-01 15:23:03 : <Larry> I've got A LABOR OF MOLES with Wendy All and Jerry, THE TAX COLLECTOR'S SONG with Steven Barnes, and some ideas that haven't gone further yet.
2014-02-01 15:23:30 : <Hippy> I like the sound of that second one
2014-02-01 15:23:40 : <Dan> More ideas than you have hours in a day to work on them? I can relate to that.
2014-02-01 15:23:55 : <fredskue_> Larry, when you retire, will other people start writing Known Space books under your name, or have you got that sewn up?
2014-02-01 15:24:13 : <Lensman> "A Labor of Moles" is an intriguing title! Sequel to Burroughs' "At the Earth's Core"? :)
2014-02-01 15:24:14 : <fredskue_> I thought of it because they keep cranking out the Robert Parker SPENSER novels
2014-02-01 15:24:19 : <fredskue_> even though he's long gone
2014-02-01 15:24:51 : <Larry> I don't have anything sewn up. Let them argue. Or maybe it's time ai did some work on my will.
2014-02-01 15:24:59 : <fredskue_> heh
2014-02-01 15:25:01 : <Hippy> And look at how active L Frank Baum became seventy years after he died
2014-02-01 15:25:17 : <fredskue_> And L Ron Hubbard
2014-02-01 15:25:30 : <fredskue_> he keeps coming back from the grave to write new material
2014-02-01 15:25:38 : <Dan> Writers don't retire. We just fall over in mid-sentence one day.
2014-02-01 15:25:51 : <fredskue_> That's what Parker did. Literally.
2014-02-01 15:25:54 : <Larry> I don't want to be a ghost writer.
2014-02-01 15:25:59 : <Dan> LOL!
2014-02-01 15:26:03 : <fredskue_> hee hee
2014-02-01 15:26:37 : <Lensman> Wasn't just 70 years after Baum's death. There was an Oz book every year for decades; first by Ruth Plumly Thompson (sp?) and later by others. I really enjoy some of the Plumly entries; the others are much lesser pastiches.
2014-02-01 15:27:11 : <fredskue_> The latest SPENSER ... I wasn't even able to finish it. And it's really really slender.
2014-02-01 15:28:53 : <Lensman> Fred: Reminds me of Gardner's "James Bond" books. The first was really good. Then apparently the editors let him do whatever he wanted... it ran downhill very rapidly indeed.
2014-02-01 15:29:01 : <Dan> Pastiches... Argh! Don't remind me! I am not looking forward to editing my Sherlock Holmes story. I re-read it last week. It looks as if I had a box of commas and just threw them at the page to see where they stuck!
2014-02-01 15:29:26 : <sean> heh
2014-02-01 15:29:36 : <Lensman> LOL
2014-02-01 15:29:52 : <Dan> "It seemed like the logical thing to do at the time..."
2014-02-01 15:29:58 : <Dan> :)
2014-02-01 15:30:04 : <sean> Journey to Babel.
2014-02-01 15:30:15 : <fredskue_> Lens, this last one is a new author, a woman who was connected to his editor somehow. She spends a lot of time describing the women's clothing.
2014-02-01 15:30:25 : <Lensman> Gah.
2014-02-01 15:30:31 : <fredskue_> Larry, re the plaque, I was picturing something more like this
2014-02-01 15:30:32 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-05%...
2014-02-01 15:31:32 : <Lensman> I've noticed that even in porn, women writers spend a lot of time describing the clothing. Both men and women's.
2014-02-01 15:31:42 : <fredskue_> hee hee
2014-02-01 15:32:19 : <fredskue_> the real Parker would say something like "she was wearing a short skirt. She had the kind of legs that women think men like, and men think are too thin"
2014-02-01 15:32:30 : <Lensman> In his "Imperial Stars" pastiches of "Doc" Smith's writing, Stephen Goldin spends a surprising amount of verbiage in describing clothing. Makes me wonder... I hope it's not politically incorrect to wonder if he's gay?
2014-02-01 15:33:01 : <fredskue_> Hey, how about we start producing models of general products hulls, stuck to hunks of wood?
2014-02-01 15:33:04 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/Screen%20Shot%202013-11-02%...
2014-02-01 15:33:09 : <NickE> I like yours better Fred. Damn, Who knew Disney were a complete cunch of bunts?
2014-02-01 15:33:26 : <fredskue_> Nick, I did.
2014-02-01 15:33:35 : <fredskue_> But I didn't even known it was Disney going in.
2014-02-01 15:33:52 : <Dan> And that's the sort of statement that makes me glad that I have characters blather endlessly about whatever meal it is that they're eating. I don't know much about clothes, but I do know food, LOL!
2014-02-01 15:34:02 : <fredskue_> hee hee
2014-02-01 15:34:09 : <NickE> well quite (the question was rhetorical of course)
2014-02-01 15:34:15 : <fredskue_> yeah, IIRC there was a lot of mentioning of specific brands of clothing
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2014-02-01 15:34:34 : <fredskue_> as though 'armani handbag' enhances my hard boiled detective novel enjoyment
2014-02-01 15:34:38 : <fredskue_> oh no
2014-02-01 15:34:40 : <NickE> oops
2014-02-01 15:34:46 : <fredskue_> I blame myself
2014-02-01 15:34:47 : <Lensman> Fred: Much nicer, altho for a plaque that wide, you woudn't want a single solid piece of wood. The rule of thumb is nothing wider than 4", unless it's veneer. Wider than 4", it should be composed of planks, with the grain alternated up/down to minimize warping.
2014-02-01 15:35:09 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-05%...
2014-02-01 15:35:14 : <fredskue_> like that?
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2014-02-01 15:35:30 : <fredskue_> Hi Larry!
2014-02-01 15:35:37 : <fredskue_> Hope it wasn't anything I said :)
2014-02-01 15:35:38 : <sean> welcome back
2014-02-01 15:35:46 : <Dan> Welcome back, Larry.
2014-02-01 15:35:53 : <NickE> wb
2014-02-01 15:36:04 : <Lensman> Hey Larry, come when you can stay awhile! :)
2014-02-01 15:36:04 : <Larry> Hi, Fredskue. I summoned up your visuals then couldn't get back.
2014-02-01 15:36:22 : <fredskue_> I was right! It was my fault!
2014-02-01 15:36:27 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 15:37:41 : <Larry> Nice visuals, though.
is impressed with how quickly you can make them
2014-02-01 15:38:34 : <Lensman> Fred: Interesting, emphasizing the lines between the planks. I would have run the planks horizontally and picked grains that blended together, to minimize the lines. But it's an interesting effect to accent that and give the impression of vertical planks in the cabin of a wooden ship!
2014-02-01 15:39:20 : <Lensman> Larry: Right-click on the link and (if you're using Windows) choose "Open in a new window". That way the chat window will stay open.
2014-02-01 15:39:28 : <sean> Fred, why not just market them yourself with better quality that what Disney is doing?
2014-02-01 15:39:39 : <Dan> Oh no... Horrible pun... Lens, it's a framing device. (groan!)
2014-02-01 15:39:54 : <NickE> argh Dan
2014-02-01 15:40:00 : <NickE> :-)
2014-02-01 15:40:09 : <Larry> lensman, thanks. Will try that next time.
2014-02-01 15:40:17 : <Hippy> That was so cruel on a Sunsay morning, Dan
2014-02-01 15:40:30 : <NickE> You couldn't make this up could you - shhesh
2014-02-01 15:40:35 : <Dan> I can't help it! My brain thinks of things and my mouth wishes for a roll of duct tape later.
2014-02-01 15:40:41 : <NickE> :-0
2014-02-01 15:40:50 : <Lensman> Fred: Doing that with 3D printing is a concept I hadn't considered. Yeah, what Sean said. Farm out the 3D printing, and if necessary the woodworking, and sell them yourself. Let Disney do the advertising!
2014-02-01 15:41:06 : <Hippy> You should discipline your brain with alcohol
2014-02-01 15:41:08 : <NickE> :-X
2014-02-01 15:41:53 : <Lensman> Dan: Punsters should be defenestrated. Since I can't do that virtually, please oblige by walking upstairs in the nearest multi-story building, and throwing yourself violently out the window.
2014-02-01 15:42:08 : <Dan> I wish I could, but we still have to go grocery shopping today. I can't have a beer 'til we get back from the store- though the fridge is full of beer right now. :(
2014-02-01 15:42:41 : <Lensman> LOL! Discipline... alcohol...
2014-02-01 15:42:42 : <Hippy> That's onehell of a dilemma
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2014-02-01 15:43:15 : <Lensman> "I can resist anything but temptation."
2014-02-01 15:43:20 : <fredskue_> Sean, the design belongs to Disney
2014-02-01 15:43:20 : <Hippy> Hi, Jim
2014-02-01 15:43:23 : <fredskue_> however
2014-02-01 15:43:33 : <NickE> I bought Trooper beer today - Iron Maidens own brand :-)
2014-02-01 15:43:36 : <fredskue_> another plan was to just go public domain with the computer model
2014-02-01 15:43:47 : <fredskue_> completely undercutting their value
2014-02-01 15:43:48 : <Dan> I've been awake for about two hours, I just finished a pot of coffee, and I don't have to go back to the factory until tomorrow evening. Sigh!
2014-02-01 15:43:52 : <Lensman> Fred: Yeah, I was just realizing that... you don't have the legal right to the design, which is owned by Disney.
2014-02-01 15:43:53 : <fredskue_> sort of a nuclear option
2014-02-01 15:44:23 : <Lensman> So, suing Disney would be worse than pointless.
2014-02-01 15:44:28 : <fredskue_> Yep
2014-02-01 15:44:34 : <NickE> bummer
2014-02-01 15:44:54 : <Larry> Yeah. Disney got there first.
2014-02-01 15:45:14 : <sean> that sucks
2014-02-01 15:45:20 : <Jim> hi, all
2014-02-01 15:45:24 : <sean> hey Jim
2014-02-01 15:45:25 : <fredskue_> hey Jim
2014-02-01 15:45:41 : <NickE> Maybe yiou should send them a full 3d printed model, a tube of KY and an imaginitive suggestion?
2014-02-01 15:45:42 : <Dan> My wife's been going through the swing shift with me, again. So when she wakes up this afternoon, we have to go shopping to make sure I have dinners at work for the next 4 nights.
2014-02-01 15:46:43 : <Larry> ?Fred, consider marketing the mounted Nautilus with a hook dangling from its mouth.
2014-02-01 15:46:51 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 15:46:52 : <Dan> LOL!
2014-02-01 15:46:53 : <Lensman> Perhaps a smarter thing to do would be for Fred to improve the 3D model with rivets etc., then offer that to Disney, and politely request compensation for the work he's put into it.
2014-02-01 15:47:06 : <fredskue_> Lens, already done and done
2014-02-01 15:47:20 : <Lensman> And did you get a response from Disney?
2014-02-01 15:47:25 : <fredskue_> htey have the rough prototype file, I have the detailed file
2014-02-01 15:47:39 : <fredskue_> no, they're busy screwing up the project in other ways
2014-02-01 15:47:39 : <fredskue_> now
2014-02-01 15:47:44 : <fredskue_> LARRY DON'T CLICK THIS
2014-02-01 15:47:45 : <fredskue_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45220525/FunWithFlashlights.JPG
2014-02-01 15:47:50 : <Lensman> Bummer.
2014-02-01 15:48:03 : <fredskue_> that's a test print I did to see how the details would hold up
2014-02-01 15:48:12 : <fredskue_> it's not previewing. how ... annoying
2014-02-01 15:48:34 : <fredskue_> those hatches are only like 1/4" high :)
2014-02-01 15:49:05 : <fredskue_> I printed different sizes of rivets and ladder rungs and such, to see what level they vanish at
2014-02-01 15:49:16 : <NickE> oh, couldnt really figure out waht they were -got it now]
2014-02-01 15:49:18 : <Lensman> Fred: I can tell those are probably 3D printed parts... are those Nautilus parts?
2014-02-01 15:49:26 : <fredskue_> yes
2014-02-01 15:49:31 : <fredskue_> the 3 different hatches
2014-02-01 15:49:41 : <fredskue_> bitts and cleats and capstans
2014-02-01 15:49:49 : <fredskue_> ladder rungs lower left
2014-02-01 15:49:56 : <Hippy> Ah...
2014-02-01 15:50:02 : <fredskue_> that's a teensy tiny thing sitting on a flashlight lens
2014-02-01 15:50:23 : <NickE> thats pretty damn detailed
2014-02-01 15:50:24 : <Dan> It turned out to be too big to display on my monitor. Sorry Fred, but it wouldn't even give me a scroll bar to pan down with.
2014-02-01 15:50:30 : <Lensman> Didn't realize the Nautilus had so many hatches on just half of it! Or is it two duplicates of one?
2014-02-01 15:50:43 : <fredskue_> there are 4 hatches
2014-02-01 15:50:49 : <fredskue_> all annoyingly different
2014-02-01 15:51:11 : <fredskue_> sorry Dan
2014-02-01 15:51:19 : <Lensman> Pretty damn detailed is right! I'm impressed; the 3D printing I saw at a local "makers' workshop" would have shown a lot of ridges at that level of detail.
2014-02-01 15:51:42 : <Dan> No big deal, it's just how I have the settings screwed up on this thing, LOL!
2014-02-01 15:51:48 : <fredskue_> yeah, my Professor Fate sub from THE GREAT RACE was all ridges
2014-02-01 15:52:11 : <sean> I have not seen that in years.
2014-02-01 15:52:24 : <Lensman> Seriously, I'd like to know how that was done. Fred, may I e-mail whoever is doing your "printing"?
2014-02-01 15:52:25 : <fredskue_> I love that movie :)
2014-02-01 15:52:26 : <Hippy> I love that movie. I can't think why it gets such poor reviews
2014-02-01 15:52:34 : <Dan> If you ever figure out a way to legally sell those Fred, the steampunk market will beat a path to your door.
2014-02-01 15:52:40 : <fredskue_> hang on lens I'll url you
2014-02-01 15:52:46 : <fredskue_> it's an Objet30 printer
2014-02-01 15:53:08 : <Lensman> I was looking into 3D printing, thinking about proposing using that for creating the Hugo award rocket bases, but the poor quality of the ridges was a deal-killer.
2014-02-01 15:53:16 : <fredskue_> http://www.3daddfab.com
2014-02-01 15:53:34 : <fredskue_> this print has all kinds of ridges on the bottom
2014-02-01 15:53:37 : <Lensman> Thanks Fred!
2014-02-01 15:53:46 : <fredskue_> it would be problematic if it was a 2 sided design
2014-02-01 15:53:57 : <fredskue_> he may have polished it or something
2014-02-01 15:54:02 : <Lensman> I love "The Great Race" except the pie fight at the end. Lousy way to end the movie IMHO.
2014-02-01 15:54:03 : <fredskue_> this guy is really cheap too
2014-02-01 15:54:22 : <fredskue_> the movie goes on for about half an hour after the pie fight lens :)
2014-02-01 15:54:48 : <Hippy> ...except in Kansas
2014-02-01 15:54:52 : <Lensman> Fred: It certainly *seems* like the pie fight lasts a half hour! :)
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2014-02-01 15:56:15 : <sean> speaking of movies, while I thought overall the movie Man of Steel was weak... I think they did a great job with the young Clark Kent scenes experiencing super powers and freaking out. what did you all think?
2014-02-01 15:56:33 : <fredskue_> okay, pie fight is about 2:10, movie is 2:30, so there's 20 minutes more after it
2014-02-01 15:56:37 : <Dan> Anyone have any idea when the next blizzard is due to hit the Atlanta area? We're almost out of all the picnic food I bought last week to keep us fed if the power goes off.
2014-02-01 15:56:52 : <fredskue_> sean, I didn't go anywhere near Man of Steel
2014-02-01 15:57:18 : <fredskue_> If or when it shows up free and I'm really really bored I might watch it on TV
2014-02-01 15:57:26 : <Hippy> You and your blizzards. They're tipping 104F today.
2014-02-01 15:57:34 : <fredskue_> assuming there's nothing good on QVC at the time
2014-02-01 15:57:45 : <Lensman> Fred: Yes, perhaps he polished it. There is a technique to use an acid bath to melt the surface and smooth out the ridges, but then you lose detail, and it doesn't look like detail was lost there!
2014-02-01 15:57:57 : <fredskue_> yep
2014-02-01 15:58:14 : <fredskue_> however they went someplace else for the test print on the board, and it lost all detail
2014-02-01 15:58:32 : <Hippy> I'm tossing up between "Man of Steel' and a prostate exam.
2014-02-01 15:58:59 : <fredskue_> and they're going to a third place for the finals they're selling. They were supposed to get me a test print so I could see what needed adjusting, but they haven't bothered, and we're out of time
2014-02-01 15:59:14 : <fredskue_> which will be my out for not giving them the detailed file
2014-02-01 15:59:45 : <Larry> I'd watch "Man of Steel". Heck, my willing suspension of disbelief is cheap; I criticise later.
2014-02-01 16:00:08 : <Hippy> You have a point there, Larry
2014-02-01 16:00:21 : <Dan> They should have used your story for the script, Larry. It'd be more fun to watch.
2014-02-01 16:00:37 : <fredskue_> Larry, I find each Superman movie - Superman, Supes 2, Supes 2, Supergirl, Supes 4, Superman Returns - about half as good as the one before
2014-02-01 16:00:49 : <Hippy> "Lastly he'd blow off the top of her head" That I'd like to see
2014-02-01 16:00:56 : <fredskue_> they long since crossed the unwatchability threshold
2014-02-01 16:00:57 : <fredskue_> heh
2014-02-01 16:01:08 : <fredskue_> Hippy, there's an animation of MAN OF STEEL on youtube
2014-02-01 16:01:11 : <Larry> hippy: Eeuw!
2014-02-01 16:01:14 : <fredskue_> says it's Larry authroized
2014-02-01 16:01:31 : <fredskue_> I'm not sure if he guts Lois like a trout or not
2014-02-01 16:01:44 : <Hippy> Egad...is it too early for that, I wonder
2014-02-01 16:02:20 : <sean> I still play the audio you did of that, Fred. I still have it named MassiveCopyrightViolation.mp3. ;)
2014-02-01 16:02:49 : <Lensman> Re "Man of Steel", the movie: It was an utterly and completely wrong-headed idea to tell the "Superman" story as if it was the "Batman" story. Superman and Batman are mythological archetypes, but are polar opposites. Superman is essentially a modern incarnation of the Sun God; he's even solar powered! He should be like Apollo; everything about him should be noble, forthright, and bright. Batman is everything Superman is not. The exact
2014-02-01 16:02:51 : <NickE> that was a classic - I have it too and play whenever I come across it
2014-02-01 16:02:56 : <fredskue_> Hmm. It seems to be gone. Maybe it wasn't as Niven authorized as they claimed
2014-02-01 16:02:56 : <Dan> Kryptonian sperm ambushing beach balls at the seaside, LOL! That is one image that brain-bleach can't remove. LOL!!!!!
2014-02-01 16:03:00 : <fredskue_> thansk sean :)
2014-02-01 16:03:26 : <fredskue_> Lens, that's Jon Peters, who controls the Supes franchise
2014-02-01 16:03:40 : <fredskue_> every movie he's telling them to do superman's dark murderous side
2014-02-01 16:03:42 : <NickE> still wishe we'd finished the other one
2014-02-01 16:03:46 : <fredskue_> ditch the costume
2014-02-01 16:04:00 : <fredskue_> no flying, flying is stupid, add a supermobile
2014-02-01 16:04:07 : <fredskue_> and fight giant spiders
2014-02-01 16:04:21 : <fredskue_> Nick, yeah, we just never found a girl :(
2014-02-01 16:04:34 : <Dan> Got to have giant spiders!
2014-02-01 16:04:37 : <fredskue_> who were we missing ... oh, yeah, Nessus
2014-02-01 16:04:48 : <fredskue_> hard to do THE SOFT WEAPON without Nessus!
2014-02-01 16:04:59 : <sean> out of that whole project, my favorites were fred's and the Green Marauder.
2014-02-01 16:05:12 : <Larry> I opened up "Man of Steel/Woman of Kleenex" to the internet long ago. If that's what is meant by authorization, it works.
2014-02-01 16:05:24 : <Lensman> "Supergirl" is as good (or bad) as Christopher Reeve's first "Superman" movie??? Um, Fred, we love you, but... NO. Nonononono.
2014-02-01 16:05:42 : <fredskue_> what?
2014-02-01 16:05:44 : <fredskue_> no
2014-02-01 16:05:48 : <fredskue_> it's #4
2014-02-01 16:05:54 : <fredskue_> each is half as good as the one before
2014-02-01 16:06:02 : <Dan> I keep hearing Kathleen Turner's voice when I read Nessus speaking. I can't help it.
2014-02-01 16:06:06 : <fredskue_> So if the first is 10 stars
2014-02-01 16:06:10 : <fredskue_> 2 is 5
2014-02-01 16:06:14 : <fredskue_> 3 is 2.5
2014-02-01 16:06:17 : <NickE> yes Dan, that works
2014-02-01 16:06:21 : <fredskue_> girl is 1.25 stars
2014-02-01 16:06:30 : <NickE> I din't think we'd get her though
2014-02-01 16:06:47 : <Lensman> "The Soft Weapon" without Nessus is "The Slaver Weapon", Larry's rewrite into an Animated Star Trek episode.
2014-02-01 16:06:55 : <Dan> No, of course not. She's only do it if she were a fan of Larry's work.
2014-02-01 16:07:06 : <fredskue_> She'd be great, although her voice is SO deep now, I'm not sure that she'd come across as a woman
2014-02-01 16:07:18 : <fredskue_> the last time I saw her she was playing a guy in drag
2014-02-01 16:07:21 : <Hippy> LOL!
2014-02-01 16:07:22 : <sean> the only real problem I have with the original superman movie is that it starts with the red Krypton sun blowing up and yet it is the source of Superman's power.
2014-02-01 16:07:25 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 16:07:41 : <fredskue_> sean, yeah, and didn't Jor-El say the planet was gonna blow?
2014-02-01 16:07:48 : <fredskue_> instead the sun goes off
2014-02-01 16:07:51 : <Lensman> Fred: Oh, sorry, I missed the "each half as good" qualification. Skimming too fast, my bad.
2014-02-01 16:07:55 : <fredskue_> that's sort of a big mistake
2014-02-01 16:07:58 : <sean> something like that.
2014-02-01 16:08:00 : <NickE> I hav access to 2 female voice actors (within 5 feet of me actually)
2014-02-01 16:08:37 : <Hippy> That's what I call access!
2014-02-01 16:08:43 : <NickE> (shit, I'm seriously thinking about this now)
2014-02-01 16:09:12 : <fredskue_> lol
2014-02-01 16:09:13 : <Hippy> Good. Anything to remove the spectre of a female Barry White doing Nessus's voice
2014-02-01 16:09:28 : <NickE> Would an Engish voice work with Nessus?
The Aristocrats!!!
2014-02-01 16:09:35 : <Lensman> We'll just electronically sample Kathleen Turner's voice from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" and use that as the "voice actor".
2014-02-01 16:09:40 : <Hippy> It would for me
2014-02-01 16:09:52 : <fredskue_> Mel was gonna do Nessus, in English voice, but never got 'round to it
2014-02-01 16:10:00 : <NickE> Bit of audio tweaking might owrk
2014-02-01 16:10:03 : <sean> I would say with the puppeteer language skills, they can have any accent they want.
2014-02-01 16:10:09 : <Dan> Nick, that way lies madness. I'm both excited and afraid of what my firend's drama class is going to do to/with my steampunk script.
2014-02-01 16:10:17 : <NickE> hehe
2014-02-01 16:10:53 : <Dan> Which I need to finish, come to cogitate on the matter. :)
2014-02-01 16:11:01 : <Lensman> "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way."
2014-02-01 16:11:05 : <NickE> Fred, do you still have the script? Did we have a script? Or did we just do it from teh text?
2014-02-01 16:11:13 : <NickE> aaahhhhhggghhhh
2014-02-01 16:11:29 : <fredskue_> I put the text in script form
2014-02-01 16:11:31 : <NickE> I do9n't remeber
2014-02-01 16:11:46 : <fredskue_> I have everything archived down
2014-02-01 16:11:50 : <NickE> I thiought so. Buggerd if I know where my copy is
2014-02-01 16:12:18 : <NickE> Did I do Weapons Officer?
2014-02-01 16:12:36 : <fredskue_> I don't even recall who did what, sorry
2014-02-01 16:12:40 : <fredskue_> except my ex did Teela
2014-02-01 16:12:46 : <fredskue_> gah
2014-02-01 16:12:57 : <NickE> ah
2014-02-01 16:12:58 : <fredskue_> did whatever her name was
2014-02-01 16:13:09 : <NickE> also thinking
2014-02-01 16:13:12 : <fredskue_> my ex's screen name is Teela :)
2014-02-01 16:13:37 : <Lensman> Gosh, I wasn't aware Teela was in "The Soft Weapon". <Snark>
2014-02-01 16:13:50 : <fredskue_> Anne Marie Papandreou
2014-02-01 16:14:13 : <Lensman> Thanks Fred, I was drawing a blank on the correct name.
2014-02-01 16:14:16 : <fredskue_> I did Jason and the narrator, IIRC
2014-02-01 16:14:27 : <Hippy> That has raised the question of what her (in 'The Soft Weapon') accent would be. She's from Wunderland, so what do they sound like?
2014-02-01 16:14:34 : <fredskue_> sure thing lens, I'm embarrassed I had to look it up
2014-02-01 16:14:40 : <sean> germanic
2014-02-01 16:14:52 : <Lensman> German accent, I would guess.
2014-02-01 16:14:53 : <NickE> heh, my wife just said (in response to my question "would you mind oplaying a 2 headed alien" was, "yeah, I've done aliens before" :-)
2014-02-01 16:15:05 : <Dan> LOL!
2014-02-01 16:15:29 : <Hippy> Yeah, so whoevrer you cast should try for a German accent
2014-02-01 16:16:06 : <Lensman> Altho one could argue that the language and accent might have "drifted" in the centuries since Wunderland was founded, in a small isolated community.
2014-02-01 16:16:28 : <Lensman> But German would be the obvious and easiest answer.
2014-02-01 16:16:31 : <NickE> homogenised somewhat I'd have thought'
2014-02-01 16:16:38 : <fredskue_> The Wunderlander language is dead by the time of 'Soft Weapon'
2014-02-01 16:16:46 : <NickE> but slightly Germanai
2014-02-01 16:16:47 : <NickE> c
2014-02-01 16:16:53 : <Hippy> Yes, but the accent would remain
2014-02-01 16:17:05 : <sean> true... I say german because of Pournelle's foray into the man kizn wars and mainly The Children's Hour.
2014-02-01 16:17:10 : <fredskue_> my ex is Polish :)
2014-02-01 16:17:15 : <Larry> agreed: softly Germanic.
2014-02-01 16:17:16 : <NickE> I'd agrre that some accent trace would remain
2014-02-01 16:17:31 : <Lensman> Yes it's dead, but yes a trace of accent should remain.
2014-02-01 16:17:52 : <NickE> well thats taht taken care of
2014-02-01 16:18:04 : <sean> yep
2014-02-01 16:18:08 : <Hippy> Yes. Now, Nessus should be Yiddish
2014-02-01 16:18:13 : <Jim> Was Wunderlander a branch of High German?
2014-02-01 16:18:24 : <fredskue_> so we need barbra streisand
2014-02-01 16:18:47 : <Hippy> Poul Anderson described it as sometnhing I forget. German/Balt or sometnhing like thag
2014-02-01 16:18:51 : <sean> now I am picturing Cartman take out saddam hussein
2014-02-01 16:18:53 : <Hippy> ...that
2014-02-01 16:18:54 : <NickE> (I'mgoing to have to dig around in my old audio files. Fairly sure I'd do a better job now as I have a better digitl recorder - Zoom 4)
2014-02-01 16:18:57 : <Lensman> Yes, it's the MKW stories that have the German High Families and all that. I wasn't awere that Pournelle was the first to specify that; I think remember it from later Hal Colbatch stories.
2014-02-01 16:19:56 : <Lensman> Jim: Interesting question re: High German. Is Larry still here? Let's ask him.
2014-02-01 16:20:00 : <sean> yeah, Pournelle did the 19 families in the children's hour
2014-02-01 16:20:02 : <NickE> Sean 0- lol
2014-02-01 16:20:18 : <NickE> (a tCartman ref)
2014-02-01 16:20:25 : <sean> figured, Nick
2014-02-01 16:20:35 : <Lensman> Well, my bad. I re-read "The Children's Hour" not that long ago, I shoud have remembered. Tch.
2014-02-01 16:20:51 : <Larry> I don't know High German from Low or Middle. The Man-Kzin War writers have gone a long way past me.
2014-02-01 16:22:37 : <Larry> I named Wunderland for a melody then current: "Wunderland ab Knakt" (spelling?)
2014-02-01 16:22:47 : <Lensman> Larry: As I understand it... as it was explained to me recently... High German was spoken by the aristocrats; Low German by the common folk. So, if Wunderlander (the language) is an offshoot of German, which is it an offshoot of? Or is it a patois mixture of several languages including both High and Low German?
2014-02-01 16:23:40 : <Dan> I can relate. Like my spaceport bar series. The best writers leave me wishing that "*I'd* thought of that." The average one leave me wishing that I'd made more rules. Thankfully, there haven't been any bad ones.
2014-02-01 16:23:40 : <Larry> I'd guess High. The original settlers had to finance the trip somehow.
2014-02-01 16:23:41 : <sean> the only german I know I got from sergeant Schultz in Hogan's Heroes
2014-02-01 16:23:57 : <fredskue_> so you know nuttink?
2014-02-01 16:24:00 : <Hippy> And he knew noting, nothing...
2014-02-01 16:24:11 : <sean> thats about my limit
2014-02-01 16:24:14 : <Hippy> Quicker than me, Fred
2014-02-01 16:24:18 : <fredskue_> :)
2014-02-01 16:24:22 : <sean> at least in spanish I can order a beer.
2014-02-01 16:24:25 : <Jim> The German name for Standard German is Hoch (High) German.
2014-02-01 16:24:40 : <fredskue_> Can't you do Arte Johnson? Vellly intelesting
2014-02-01 16:24:45 : <Hippy> The Wunerlander language would begin from modern German, though
2014-02-01 16:25:29 : <Jim> Hochdeutsch
2014-02-01 16:25:35 : <Hippy> How long were they isolated for? Three hundred years before the Kzinti turn up?
2014-02-01 16:26:06 : <Lensman> Let me see if I can answer that, Hippy...
2014-02-01 16:26:15 : <fredskue_> this tweet just in:
2014-02-01 16:26:16 : <fredskue_> Jan 31: So far my favorite villain in the Superman/Batman movie is the casting director.
2014-02-01 16:26:25 : <sean> heh
2014-02-01 16:26:43 : <sean> must be due to the lex luther casting
2014-02-01 16:27:00 : <fredskue_> yeah, well, afflack didn't thrill many
2014-02-01 16:27:11 : <sean> Gene Hackman will always be Luther to me.
2014-02-01 16:27:12 : <fredskue_> I think baby Luthor was just the latest
2014-02-01 16:27:44 : <fredskue_> Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville has been lobbying for the part. They should have given it to him.
2014-02-01 16:27:56 : <sean> never watched Smallville.
2014-02-01 16:28:10 : <fredskue_> you dodged a bullet there! :D
2014-02-01 16:28:15 : <Larry> loved Smallville.
2014-02-01 16:28:19 : <Dan> He's done well in some of the animated stuff, as I recall.
2014-02-01 16:28:22 : <fredskue_> but he was the best part of it
2014-02-01 16:28:28 : <fredskue_> him and his father
2014-02-01 16:28:29 : <Hippy> And Wunderland has only one wave of migration, the first one? No influxes of Earth languages to standardise it.
2014-02-01 16:28:33 : <Lensman> Wunderland colony established circa 2091; Kzinti invasion of Wunderland 2367. Now I'll warn you some of that may be from the Ringworld RPG, so it'
2014-02-01 16:28:44 : <Lensman> it's questionable how canonical it is.
2014-02-01 16:29:53 : <NickE> liked Smallvile, but it got s bit silly in later seasons
2014-02-01 16:30:01 : <sean> Most of the Wunderland stuff come form Pournelle and Sirling with the Children's Hour and In the Hall of the Mountain King. both Man-Kzin War stories that were then combined into the novel THe Children's Hour.
2014-02-01 16:30:04 : <Hippy> 170 years or so is enough time for the language to drift significantly if there are no outside influences
2014-02-01 16:30:06 : <NickE> Enjoying Arrow s1 at the moment
2014-02-01 16:30:10 : <Lensman> I can't find anything about "Wunderland ab knacht". Help, anyone?
2014-02-01 16:30:40 : "Alex_A" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 16:30:45 : <fredskue_> http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/bert/wonderland-by-night-wunderland-bei-nach...
2014-02-01 16:30:58 : <sean> hi Aled
2014-02-01 16:31:00 : <sean> oops
2014-02-01 16:31:02 : <sean> Alex
2014-02-01 16:31:09 : <Hippy> Hi, Alex
2014-02-01 16:31:12 : <Larry> I heard that tune (not song) repeatedly on the radio.
2014-02-01 16:31:25 : <Lensman> Smallville started out well, but ran downhill. Not rapidly, but still, it outlasted its welcome.
2014-02-01 16:31:37 : <Alex_A> Hello all
2014-02-01 16:32:04 : <Lensman> And those two MKW stories are IMHO the best ever published.
2014-02-01 16:32:05 : <fredskue_> Lens, scroll down on that page and there are links that will play the song
2014-02-01 16:32:46 : <Larry> I'd feel ridiculous claiming that Smallville jumped the shark.
2014-02-01 16:32:47 : <Alex_A> Which stories Lens?
2014-02-01 16:33:04 : <fredskue_> Larry, why ridiculous?
2014-02-01 16:33:15 : <fredskue_> because he can bound a tall shark?
2014-02-01 16:33:32 : <Larry> Smallville jumped the shark from the first episode!
2014-02-01 16:33:46 : <sean> Most of the Wunderland stuff come form Pournelle and Sirling with the Children's Hour and In the Hall of the Mountain King. both Man-Kzin War stories that were then combined into the novel THe Children's Hour.
2014-02-01 16:34:10 : <sean> those stories, Alex
2014-02-01 16:34:21 : <Lensman> Thanks, Fred! That needs to be a footnote in the Known Space Concordance.
2014-02-01 16:34:37 : <Hippy> I did like 'The Colonel's Tiger' by Hal Colebatch
2014-02-01 16:34:45 : <Alex_A> Right. isn't one a remake of Casablanca?
2014-02-01 16:34:56 : <sean> The Colonel's TIger was good
2014-02-01 16:35:06 : <Hippy> I was waiting to see if Stirling and Pournelle would do another Bogart movie but it never happened
2014-02-01 16:35:16 : <Lensman> Alex: "The Children's Hour" and "The Hall of the Mountain King".
2014-02-01 16:35:28 : <Hippy> Yep, the first one, Alex
2014-02-01 16:35:29 : <Alex_A> Not a bad thing, as I love Casablanca
2014-02-01 16:35:41 : <Hippy> The second is 'Tresure of the Sierra Madre'
2014-02-01 16:36:02 : <Alex_A> I just realised that Hippy!
2014-02-01 16:36:14 : <Alex_A> Do'h
2014-02-01 16:36:27 : <Lensman> Yeah, the first based on "Casablanca" and the second based on "The Treasure of Sierra Madre". Fortunately in both cases, about half way thru the story, if veers in another direction, so they're not predictible.
2014-02-01 16:36:28 : <Alex_A> never spotted it before
2014-02-01 16:36:29 : <Hippy> so the next one should be...I don't know. 'Key Largo'?
2014-02-01 16:36:51 : <Hippy> 'The Return of Doctor X'?
2014-02-01 16:36:56 : <sean> yeah... inspired by would be a good way of waying it.
2014-02-01 16:37:01 : <Alex_A> Or The Maltese Falcon?
2014-02-01 16:37:02 : <fredskue_> To Have and Have Not?
2014-02-01 16:37:05 : <sean> saying it
2014-02-01 16:37:14 : <Lensman> Darn, I think it's "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre", I always have trouble with that title. (Badges? We don' need no stinking badges!)
2014-02-01 16:37:20 : <Hippy> 'The African Queen' but I think it was - holy crap. Maltese Falcon, of course!
2014-02-01 16:37:29 : <Larry> there were three Pournelle/Sterling Kzin stories. I've forgotten the third title.
2014-02-01 16:37:48 : <Lensman> Definitely "Maltese Falcon".
2014-02-01 16:37:51 : <sean> The third was the slaver one, right?
2014-02-01 16:38:09 : <sean> in the serpent swarm?
2014-02-01 16:38:17 : <Hippy> And it had 'Queen' in the title. Stupid brain, wake up!
2014-02-01 16:38:18 : <Alex_A> The Asteroid Queen I think
2014-02-01 16:38:28 : <Hippy> That's it!
2014-02-01 16:38:36 : <fredskue_> Starring Richard Simmons
2014-02-01 16:38:44 : <Larry> yeah. Pournelle is really pleased with his line: "How many time must I tell you, don't eat the servants!"
2014-02-01 16:38:53 : <Alex_A> No Bogart Parallels there?
2014-02-01 16:39:09 : <sean> great line.
2014-02-01 16:39:23 : <Lensman> "Asteroid Queen" based in "The African Queen"? Hmmm... if so, I didn't spot that.
2014-02-01 16:39:30 : <Hippy> 'The African Queen', but I don't remember the plot so well
2014-02-01 16:39:39 : <Alex_A> Could be
2014-02-01 16:40:05 : <Larry> Pournelle had to detail Slaver family life for me, he says.
2014-02-01 16:40:28 : <Alex_A> actually the spacecraft with the AI could be based on African Queen
2014-02-01 16:40:47 : <Alex_A> Does a similar suicide run
2014-02-01 16:40:51 : <Hippy> The Great Patriarchal Tool
2014-02-01 16:41:24 : <Hippy> He did do a good job on the tnuctip
2014-02-01 16:41:29 : <sean> well, Larry, you did some slaver family life in World of Ptavvs. Greenberg remembering how to put up the mental shield as I recall.
2014-02-01 16:41:56 : <Alex_A> I haven't re-read them since first time
2014-02-01 16:42:03 : <Hippy> And Poul Anderson's: Have you ever considered how lucky the tnuctip were not speaking English? Spell it backwards" That is a classic!
2014-02-01 16:42:08 : <Lensman> Seems a stretch to me. "The African Queen" was a run-down riverboat, not a "person" with a personality. And it wasn't built to do a suicide run, as the Asteroid Queen was.
2014-02-01 16:42:19 : <Larry> yeah, I did. But the pournelle/sterling stories were brilliant.
2014-02-01 16:42:47 : <sean> I loved the pournelle/sterling stories. they hit it just right.
2014-02-01 16:42:48 : <Hippy> Yes, it was, Lens
2014-02-01 16:43:15 : <Hippy> Well, okay, not built to do a suicide run, but modified to do one
2014-02-01 16:43:38 : <Alex_A> That's what I was getting at
2014-02-01 16:44:17 : <Alex_A> Inspired by the movie, but not as obviously
2014-02-01 16:44:35 : <Lensman> The parallels in the first two were pretty apparent and frequent. As I said, the parallel to "The African Queen" seems to be rather a stretch at least from what's been mentioned so far in this conversation.
2014-02-01 16:44:39 : <Hippy> No, not as obviously as the other two
2014-02-01 16:45:08 : <Alex_A> agreed
2014-02-01 16:45:19 : <Lensman> However, that said, I shall re-read "Asteroid' to see what I missed.
2014-02-01 16:45:42 : <Alex_A> I was thinking of doing the same!
warms up the Kindle, too
2014-02-01 16:46:16 : <Alex_A> We should ask JerryP if he makes it here again :)
2014-02-01 16:46:55 : <Larry> Alex: sure.
2014-02-01 16:47:19 : <Jim> Unfortunately, I have got to run. I will see you next month, or may be later tonight.
2014-02-01 16:47:26 : "Jim" left the channel.
2014-02-01 16:47:29 : <sean> Larry could always ask him to pop in again........
2014-02-01 16:47:40 : <Alex_A> Moorcock and Baxter have written "Doctor Who" novels. Would you consider it Larry?
2014-02-01 16:48:04 : <Lensman> If Jerry is still running his "Chaos Manor" website, we shouldn't need to wait that long...
2014-02-01 16:48:21 : <Larry> I'd be overmatched: not familiar enough with the Doctor Who canon.
2014-02-01 16:48:55 : <Dan> Larry, it is so much of a canon as it it a brace of shotguns.
2014-02-01 16:49:14 : <Lensman> Larry is wise. Joe Haldeman wrote a Trek novel without ever seeing an episode of the TV show. A travesty.
2014-02-01 16:49:24 : <Larry> When I write in someone else's universe, it's one I'm familiar with over years or decades.
2014-02-01 16:49:44 : <fredskue_> Lens, how about James Blish?
2014-02-01 16:49:48 : <sean> you would know more than I, Dan. but true. 50 years of different writers, directors... so on
2014-02-01 16:49:51 : <Larry> Dan: a valid comment.
2014-02-01 16:49:56 : <NickE> had to laugh - saw a lad interviewing with my daughter yesterday for a Nursing course totally channeling Tom Baker - hair, scarf, bintage Tom Baker spaorts bag (as if nerd do spaorts... :-)
2014-02-01 16:49:59 : <Alex_A> fair enough Larry
2014-02-01 16:49:59 : <fredskue_> wrote dozens of Trek books having never seen a frame.
2014-02-01 16:50:25 : <Lensman> Fred: I dunno, what about Blish? I spoke to Joe Halderman personally about this, beore he wrote that. I've never met Blish.
2014-02-01 16:50:57 : <NickE> Who is a minefield
2014-02-01 16:51:04 : <Larry> Too late to meet Blish.
2014-02-01 16:51:11 : <Alex_A> I must admit I haven't read the Moorcock or Baxter novels
2014-02-01 16:51:23 : <Alex_A> I've got the Moorcock one
2014-02-01 16:51:27 : <Dan> As a fan, and as someone who loves little fiddly bits of continuity, "Who" has so many gaps and contradictions that one could write just about anything and call it an alternate timeline. Sigh...
2014-02-01 16:51:34 : <fredskue_> Blish wrote the adaptations of all the Trek episodes in the 60s and 70s Lens
2014-02-01 16:51:40 : <NickE> ti8mey wimey
2014-02-01 16:51:45 : <fredskue_> he was living in England at the time and they weren't showing Trek there yet :)
2014-02-01 16:51:58 : <fredskue_> sort of like the Trek comic book guys in Italy
2014-02-01 16:52:01 : <fredskue_> never saw a frame
2014-02-01 16:52:10 : <NickE> didn't realis that
2014-02-01 16:52:20 : <Alex_A> DW stories don't have involve canon
2014-02-01 16:52:25 : <NickE> rather good considering
2014-02-01 16:52:39 : <sean> I thought Foster did all the starlogs.
2014-02-01 16:52:50 : <fredskue_> Foster did the animated series
2014-02-01 16:52:55 : <Lensman> Joe was at BYOB-Con V (1975?), here in Kansas City. I had then recently pubbed a Trek fanzine, and was thrust by some well-meaning fans at Joe as the resident Trek expert, altho I've never claimed to be such. He explained he'd never seen an episode, but had a contract with Bantam to write a Trek novel, so what should he do? I of course recommended he watch as many of the shows as he could. Obvously he didn't watch any, because he didn
2014-02-01 16:53:05 : <sean> ah
2014-02-01 16:53:11 : <fredskue_> and maybe picked up a missing blish or two at the end
2014-02-01 16:53:19 : <Alex_A> basic plot is Tardis turns up, encounters problem, helps fix problem, and exits
2014-02-01 16:53:22 : <sean> long time ago
2014-02-01 16:53:42 : <Dan> He did, but this is before the "Log" books started. As I recall, Blish was working from early drafts of shooting scripts, so by the time he finished a story, some of the details had been changed.
2014-02-01 16:54:04 : <sean> ah, ok, dan.
2014-02-01 16:54:15 : <fredskue_> ARGH
2014-02-01 16:54:22 : <fredskue_> the guy stealing my Nautilus
AFK briefly for a cup of tea
2014-02-01 16:54:30 : <fredskue_> has made it the keystone of his Facebook page
2014-02-01 16:54:31 : <fredskue_> https://www.facebook.com/javier.soto.946?fref=ts
2014-02-01 16:54:38 : <Lensman> Fred: I thought Blish did okay at his very abbreviated summaries of the Classic Trek episodes, altho he commited the sin of changing the ending of an episode or two, before the wrath of Trek fandom descended upon his head.
2014-02-01 16:55:38 : <NickE> cheeky fucker
2014-02-01 16:55:50 : <Alex_A> Larry: What new stuff are you working on? Is "Burning Mountain" on the cards?
2014-02-01 16:55:56 : <NickE> should I comment - he has one like already
2014-02-01 16:56:08 : <fredskue_> Lens, he had first draft scripts, was never sure if he changed the ends or if those were the original ends
2014-02-01 16:56:50 : <Larry> I fear "Burning Mountain" is out. It would have been easy, but still would require Jerry write some text.
2014-02-01 16:57:46 : <Larry> We've still got him for plotting, I think. We'll test that.
2014-02-01 16:58:01 : <Lensman> Fred: Well this is from memory, but my memory says Blish admitted changing the end of an episode or two because, well, the printed word and a TV drama are different mediums, and he said some of the endings just didn't work. Obviously he had no idea of the fanaticism of Trek fans and how outraged they'd be at his meddling in canon.
2014-02-01 16:58:12 : <Alex_A> Ok thanks Larry
2014-02-01 16:59:00 : <Alex_A> AIUI Jerry is working on next Janissaries novel right now
2014-02-01 16:59:06 : <Larry> Going for soup. Carry on.
2014-02-01 16:59:18 : <sean> thanks for dropping in Larry
2014-02-01 16:59:23 : <Dan> Bugger, Stephanie is after me to open a Twitter account. She says there's someone there who wants to promote my albums, for a fee of course.
2014-02-01 16:59:49 : <Alex_A> Thanks Larry & enjoy the soup :)
2014-02-01 17:00:01 : <NickE> cheers Larry
2014-02-01 17:00:28 : <sean> hmm, maybe he is going for soup and coming back. Usually when he mentions lunch he is out.
2014-02-01 17:00:41 : <NickE> one hopes
2014-02-01 17:01:10 : <NickE> I'd like to see teh conclusion to teh Burning trilogy
2014-02-01 17:01:11 : <Dan> Well, he did say "carry on..." and he hasn't disconnected yet.
2014-02-01 17:01:16 : <Lensman> I don't see it as the same thing at all. Rewriting a script and summarizing it as a rather short story... how can you go wrong on the characterization? Joe was writing a full-length novel, he really needed some guidance which very clearly he didn't get. What Joe was attempting was far more ambitous than any of Blish's short stories. Altho Blish did write a short "Trek" novel: "Spock Must Die!" I've seen that castigated, but I thought
2014-02-01 17:01:17 : <NickE> indeed
2014-02-01 17:01:26 : <Alex_A> Me too Nick
2014-02-01 17:01:41 : <Alex_A> I liked Tower a lot
2014-02-01 17:01:49 : <NickE> yes
2014-02-01 17:02:09 : <NickE> not least because Frank was in part of it :-)
2014-02-01 17:02:43 : <Hippy> He was? I missed that
2014-02-01 17:02:47 : <NickE> should re-read (sooo many things I should re-read)
2014-02-01 17:02:48 : <sean> the Tor newsletter included a link to a guy's page called star trek heart of whiteness. check it out but not right now
2014-02-01 17:03:04 : <fredskue_> Spock Must Die is amazingly bad
2014-02-01 17:03:20 : <Dan> Are any of Frank's song videos up on You Tube? As I recall, Bill Warren has copies of them somewhere.
2014-02-01 17:03:31 : <Lensman> I liked the first... was it "Burning City"? Have the 2nd in the series, but confess I haven't read it yet. (Heresy!)
2014-02-01 17:03:38 : <NickE> Lord Regapisk? I think that ws the thinly veiled name used
2014-02-01 17:03:40 : <sean> burning city was the first
2014-02-01 17:04:06 : <NickE> I have a couple of Bill Warrens visd of Frank
2014-02-01 17:04:10 : <Hippy> I can't believe I didn't get that
2014-02-01 17:04:34 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 17:04:46 : <Lensman> "Burning City" seems to be one of those love-em-or-hate-em stories. I thought it was overly long... perhaps much, much too long... but enjoyed it despite that.
2014-02-01 17:04:52 : <sean> by frank, I have the mp3's green hills of earth and story behind green hills of earth
2014-02-01 17:05:02 : <NickE> me too
2014-02-01 17:05:32 : "Jim" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 17:05:37 : <sean> also in that folder is the Fish doing health nazis and I wishi I had been at the orgy
2014-02-01 17:05:38 : <Lensman> Remind me of what "Lord Regapisk" refers to, I forget.
2014-02-01 17:05:42 : <Jim> And I am back.
2014-02-01 17:05:50 : "Alex_A" left the channel.
2014-02-01 17:05:53 : <sean> Larry is getting some soup
2014-02-01 17:06:26 : <Lensman> Well, I haven't had lunch, so I think I'll go get that started too.
2014-02-01 17:06:35 : <NickE> Minor character - gets in a fix Regapsik of cousre is an anagram
2014-02-01 17:07:04 : <Dan> I wanted to link to the Green Hills vid for someone last month. Can't remember who that was now, or why the subject came up, however.
2014-02-01 17:07:07 : <NickE> been a while since I read it
2014-02-01 17:07:37 : <Larry> i'm back w soup. catching up
2014-02-01 17:07:38 : <sean> Harry Red will always be my visual for Frank
2014-02-01 17:07:45 : <NickE> yep
2014-02-01 17:08:18 : <sean> I can hear Frank and Peggy's voice in my head but never met the in person. my loss.
2014-02-01 17:08:39 : "Alex_A" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 17:08:47 : <NickE> wb
2014-02-01 17:09:03 : <Alex_A> Hey, Sorry battery died
2014-02-01 17:09:19 : <Hippy> What kind of soup, Larry?
2014-02-01 17:09:26 : <fredskue_> hah
2014-02-01 17:09:32 : <fredskue_> hippy beat me to the question
2014-02-01 17:09:39 : <fredskue_> plus, now I'm hungry
2014-02-01 17:09:44 : <NickE> (I'm not shifting position s my charger is now woring without me holdingteh plug)
2014-02-01 17:10:04 : <NickE> (leg is going to sleep!)
2014-02-01 17:10:09 : <Alex_A> Any news on the SyFy RingWorld adaptation?
2014-02-01 17:10:13 : <fredskue_> sean, me too, re Harry
2014-02-01 17:10:13 : <Dan> Same here. Kind of pisses me off that Jeff & Bob haven't gotten serious about getting their Nightwatch series published, since I briefly put Frank in my story as a news reporter character. He vetted the scenes he was in.
2014-02-01 17:10:33 : <sean> in fact, I figured out an answer to Larry calling us crazy in Chattanooga. I can say why I run the IRC server in one sentence. Frank asked me to. ;)
2014-02-01 17:10:46 : <fredskue_> he wanted me to drive him around, but Mom's health was failing at the time and I had my hands full
2014-02-01 17:10:46 : <NickE> heh
2014-02-01 17:10:51 : <NickE> that's do it
2014-02-01 17:10:57 : <fredskue_> but when I got the VANIM8R I was gonna help him out
2014-02-01 17:11:06 : <fredskue_> but he went and died on me before I could :(
2014-02-01 17:11:45 : <Alex_A> :( indeed
2014-02-01 17:12:06 : <sean> ok... lets stop the I miss Frank fest.
2014-02-01 17:12:11 : <Larry> chicken tortilla soup from Ralphs.
2014-02-01 17:12:16 : <NickE> never an argument there, but yes
2014-02-01 17:12:28 : <NickE> siunds no9mmy
2014-02-01 17:12:35 : <Dan> Sounds like good soup.
2014-02-01 17:12:47 : <Larry> no news re Ringworld SYFY.
2014-02-01 17:12:54 : <NickE> oh well
2014-02-01 17:13:13 : <Alex_A> Thanks Larry
2014-02-01 17:13:17 : <Jim> Hopefully, Mom will make Tortilla or Wedding soup for me tonight.
2014-02-01 17:13:45 : <Hippy> I shall have to put Ralphs on my list of eateries to try out
2014-02-01 17:13:47 : <sean> VANIM8R. thats good. doubt many around would get it. like my 'My Other Car is a Tardis' plate on the front of my Explorer.
2014-02-01 17:13:48 : <Lensman> I've never been any good at anagrams. My brain apparently isn't wired that way. Will no one take pity and explain it?
2014-02-01 17:13:53 : <Alex_A> As things have gone quiet I had suspected they'd dropped it (again)
2014-02-01 17:14:04 : <sean> Gasperik
2014-02-01 17:14:09 : <Dan> Someone will one day do it justice. Ringworld is one of those books that would have people go nuts if the movie were done wrong.
2014-02-01 17:14:10 : <fredskue_> anagram?
2014-02-01 17:14:15 : <fredskue_> you mean VANIM8R?
2014-02-01 17:14:19 : <sean> no
2014-02-01 17:14:25 : <Jim> yes
2014-02-01 17:14:29 : <fredskue_> lol
2014-02-01 17:14:30 : <NickE> Regapisk
2014-02-01 17:14:33 : <fredskue_> ah
2014-02-01 17:14:40 : <Lensman> Yeah, that one.
2014-02-01 17:14:50 : <Jim> Is that a van for mating?
2014-02-01 17:14:51 : <fredskue_> sean, the VANIM8R was parked next to the ANIM8R
2014-02-01 17:14:53 : <fredskue_> that helped
2014-02-01 17:15:13 : <Alex_A> I'm not sure RW is best place to start. Though it was first Niven I read
2014-02-01 17:15:20 : <sean> Lens... Regapisk=Gasperik
2014-02-01 17:15:29 : <fredskue_> RW was the second Niven I read.
2014-02-01 17:15:31 : <Lensman> sean: Ah, thanks.
2014-02-01 17:15:32 : <fredskue_> Ptavvs was the first
2014-02-01 17:15:50 : <fredskue_> I (stupidly) refused to read RW 'cause I hated the cover so
2014-02-01 17:16:07 : <fredskue_> so friend and reading accomplice got me to read another Niven first
2014-02-01 17:16:08 : <sean> I have the first cover and understand
2014-02-01 17:16:11 : <Lensman> RW was my first Niven, too. Altho I would recommend starting with Neutron Star so people would understand the backstory references to "At the Core" and to the Kzinti.
2014-02-01 17:16:15 : <fredskue_> sean, that's the one
2014-02-01 17:16:34 : <Jim> Neutron Star was my first Niven
2014-02-01 17:16:44 : <NickE> Rammer
2014-02-01 17:16:50 : <Hippy> 'At the Core' was mine
2014-02-01 17:16:57 : <sean> I can not remember my first Niven
2014-02-01 17:17:06 : <Alex_A> It had a plain yellow cover on library version I read
2014-02-01 17:17:21 : <Lensman> Yah, I found the "sideways landscape" on RW offputting too, but it kept staring at me there in my high school library, so finally I picked it up... and the rest is history!
2014-02-01 17:17:45 : <Hippy> All these stories: I read my first Niven at the drive in. I couldn't believe I got a date with it. Anyway, one thing led to her mother and we were married within the hour
2014-02-01 17:17:54 : <NickE> Many others followed once I knew who wrote it
2014-02-01 17:17:58 : <Alex_A> one of UK publishers had all their SF in plain yellow covers
2014-02-01 17:17:59 : <Jim> Your high school library had science fiction?
2014-02-01 17:17:59 : <sean> Larry, I have to agree with you... your fans are dedicated and somewhat crazy. ;)
2014-02-01 17:18:19 : <Alex_A> Public library
2014-02-01 17:18:26 : <fredskue_> my high school library had ONE FISH TWO FISH RED FISH BLUE FISH
2014-02-01 17:18:37 : <fredskue_> but my grade school library had MAROONED ON MARS
2014-02-01 17:18:43 : <fredskue_> I read that to death
2014-02-01 17:18:52 : <Dan> Ringworld was my first Niven book. I passsed up going to a UGA Sci-Fi club meeting for two weeks so that I could get a copy and read it. Turns out that wasn't necessary, the club was just recommending it as a good book on a poster announcing their meeting schedule. LOL!
2014-02-01 17:19:02 : <NickE> (I spent about 2 years looking for the story again 0 never remembered authors at age 10 - and then came across AWOOT and had epiphany :-)
2014-02-01 17:19:10 : <Lensman> Jim: Believe it or not, yes. Including hardcovers of /When Worlds Collide/ and Caidin's /No Man's Land/.
2014-02-01 17:19:19 : <fredskue_> wow
2014-02-01 17:19:20 : <fredskue_> btw
2014-02-01 17:19:32 : <fredskue_> there's a THIRD 'When Worlds Collide' book out now
2014-02-01 17:19:33 : <sean> I credit my older cousin charles for getting me into science fiction. he fed me his complete collection of ee doc smith and Heinlein.
2014-02-01 17:19:38 : <fredskue_> and it's totally unreadable
2014-02-01 17:19:49 : <fredskue_> I didn't make it out of the first chapter
2014-02-01 17:19:51 : <fredskue_> :(
2014-02-01 17:20:06 : <Alex_A> Don't remember any SF in school libraries
2014-02-01 17:20:09 : <Lensman> And considering it was a high school in Kansas in what was considered officially a "rural" district, it's doubly astonishing. Apparently we had some rather enlightened school librarians!
2014-02-01 17:20:26 : <sean> I wont bother then. I do have when worlds collide and after worlds collide.
2014-02-01 17:20:37 : <fredskue_> I have multiple copies
2014-02-01 17:20:43 : <fredskue_> most recent is the Bison double
2014-02-01 17:21:00 : <fredskue_> IIRC the reviews on Amazon savage the third
2014-02-01 17:21:01 : <Alex_A> I voraciously read Public Library AT
2014-02-01 17:21:02 : <Jim> Futurama had an episode devoted to WWC
2014-02-01 17:21:07 : <Alex_A> SF
2014-02-01 17:21:07 : <fredskue_> really?
2014-02-01 17:21:14 : <fredskue_> damn, now I have to find that
2014-02-01 17:21:17 : <Lensman> Belated sequels by other authors rarely turn out well. Occasionally, but not often.
2014-02-01 17:21:27 : <NickE> Alex, me too
2014-02-01 17:21:53 : <Lensman> Well, I admit I am curious enough to want to check it out myself.
2014-02-01 17:21:54 : <fredskue_> http://www.amazon.com/The-Terrans-Beta-Collide-Series/dp/1461020638
2014-02-01 17:21:55 : <Jim> When the Martian solar calender predicted that Mars would be destroyed in 3012.
2014-02-01 17:22:07 : <Alex_A> I can recall exactly where SF shelves were :)
2014-02-01 17:22:17 : <NickE> heh - yep
2014-02-01 17:22:27 : <NickE> And they were never big enough were they
2014-02-01 17:22:35 : <Alex_A> I think my dad had some Clarke
2014-02-01 17:23:47 : <fredskue_> Hmm. Googles for '"When Worlds Collide" Futurama' bring up crossover episodes
2014-02-01 17:23:54 : <NickE> I exhausted teh shelves in teh small library where we use dto go on holiday when I was a kid
2014-02-01 17:23:56 : <fredskue_> Futurama vs the Simpsons, etc
2014-02-01 17:24:14 : <Alex_A> DW, B7 and Trek TOS on TV :)
2014-02-01 17:24:21 : <NickE> fairly quikly once I developed a taste for it
2014-02-01 17:24:34 : <Jim> I liked 2010 and 2061
2014-02-01 17:24:37 : <NickE> oh big tick there
2014-02-01 17:24:41 : <NickE> oh big tick there
2014-02-01 17:24:55 : <NickE> (DW, B7, TOS)
2014-02-01 17:25:14 : <Alex_A> 70s UK childhood :)
2014-02-01 17:25:23 : <NickE> Bingo
2014-02-01 17:25:37 : <Alex_A> heh
2014-02-01 17:25:43 : <Hippy> 70's Australian teenagehood, too
2014-02-01 17:25:47 : <NickE> BTW, don't think much of teh reboot of Tomorrow Peaople
2014-02-01 17:25:53 : <Dan> I got lucky. My parents started buying me books when I was really young. I wound up with a starter kit of a dozen Tom Swift Jr books, Verne, Wells, Tom Corbet, and then discovered Schoolastic Paperbacks of tons of other stuff.
2014-02-01 17:25:53 : <Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Farewell_to_Arms_(Futurama)
2014-02-01 17:26:07 : <Lensman> Wow, 8 one-star reviews and only 1 five-star review for the "Worlds Collide" sequel. That's pretty telling. But I'd still like to read a chapter to see how bad it is. I'll have to see if there is a "Look Inside!" feature available.
2014-02-01 17:26:54 : <fredskue_> Jim, is that the When Worlds Collide/Futurama?
2014-02-01 17:27:04 : <Alex_A> I've seen neither the reboot or the original
2014-02-01 17:27:05 : <Jim> kinda
2014-02-01 17:27:23 : <Larry> my first SF (grade school library) involved war between sapient carrots and onions on Mars. I was lucky that didn't stop me.
2014-02-01 17:27:27 : <Hippy> Gollancz was the yellow cover publisher. Why it took me so long to remember that is a mystery
2014-02-01 17:27:41 : <NickE> I loved the original - at the time - it woudl have dated very badly I think if I saw it again now
2014-02-01 17:27:44 : <Hippy> So are we
2014-02-01 17:27:55 : <sean> heh, thats sounds even worse than attack of the killer tomatoes
2014-02-01 17:28:01 : <NickE> bu the US remake is not grabbing me
2014-02-01 17:28:02 : <Larry> fred: yes.
2014-02-01 17:28:04 : <Lensman> The reason I started collecting SF books myself was because the local libraries had such a small collection. It was kinda a revelation that these authors whose stories I enjoyed had written other books, and that I could ACTUALLLY BUY COPIES FOR MYSELF!!
2014-02-01 17:28:14 : <Jim> It had a When Worlds Collide moment.
2014-02-01 17:28:16 : <Hippy> I have the original on DVD and the commentaries are brilliant. But the show...well, I'm older now
2014-02-01 17:28:19 : <Alex_A> I was going to suggest Gollancz
2014-02-01 17:28:27 : <NickE> Lens - oh indeedy#
2014-02-01 17:29:07 : <NickE> Many of my books were 2nd hand, thrift shop, jumble sale copies
2014-02-01 17:29:28 : <NickE> (read a lot of dross, but there were some gems in there)
2014-02-01 17:29:39 : <Alex_A> I'm not impressed with my locally library where I
2014-02-01 17:29:45 : <Alex_A> live note
2014-02-01 17:29:46 : <Hippy> Of course, I can't buy any of them for the Kindle because I'm in the wrong region. Which is just wrong in every sense of the word.
2014-02-01 17:29:47 : <Jim> Some of mine had torn front covers.
2014-02-01 17:29:56 : <Alex_A> now
2014-02-01 17:30:27 : <Hippy> I shall have to buy a UK Kindle, I think
2014-02-01 17:30:36 : <NickE> I found a readable 1st paperback ed of Caves of Steel from 1957 I think
2014-02-01 17:30:37 : <Lensman> I even remember what started it. I had a friend who, oddly, like me was a Protestant minister's son, who loaned me a copy of /Second Stage Lensman/. Well, the book said it was part of a "series", and the local libraries didn't carry them, so...
2014-02-01 17:30:47 : <NickE> Hippy, that sucks
2014-02-01 17:31:08 : <Hippy> It sure does, Nick
2014-02-01 17:31:11 : <NickE> region coding is inherentky wrong
2014-02-01 17:31:33 : <Lensman> I agree. There's no reason a marketing ploy should be enforced by law.
2014-02-01 17:31:49 : <Hippy> Yep. I had thoughgt of changing my address to Australia House's in the Strand, but I don't know that the Government would like that.
2014-02-01 17:31:50 : <Lensman> That's immoral.
2014-02-01 17:31:53 : <Alex_A> Bought a lot of SF when at University
2014-02-01 17:32:24 : <NickE> did that too, but had already built up a lot of books by that age
2014-02-01 17:32:36 : <Hippy> And what kind of marketing ploy prevents sales?
2014-02-01 17:32:51 : <fredskue_> um
2014-02-01 17:32:53 : <NickE> exactky - bloody stupid
2014-02-01 17:32:57 : <Jim> Hippy, why can't you buy books from the US Amazon web site.
2014-02-01 17:32:59 : <fredskue_> see disney's JOHN CARTER
2014-02-01 17:33:07 : <Alex_A> I've used 90210 zip code in the past :)
2014-02-01 17:33:08 : <Lensman> Well, I started collecting at age 13, so by the time I was in college I already had a respectable collection of SF and a smattering of other books.
2014-02-01 17:33:14 : <fredskue_> they went out of their way to disuade you from going :)
2014-02-01 17:33:19 : <Hippy> I can buy from the US site, Jim, but they don't have the books I want
2014-02-01 17:33:28 : <Jim> OK
2014-02-01 17:34:06 : <NickE> ]brb
2014-02-01 17:34:35 : <sean> I am sure it is all a tax issue.
2014-02-01 17:34:44 : <Hippy> There's even an Amazon.com.au now, but apparently I'm in the wrong region for them, too. And I can't buy MP3's from Amazon because I have an Australian credit card. It just goes on and on. Come the revolution, brothers, all this shall be wiped away!
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2014-02-01 17:35:22 : <fredskue_> so, my phone rang
2014-02-01 17:35:25 : <fredskue_> scam
2014-02-01 17:35:32 : <fredskue_> says I won a free trip to Disneyland
2014-02-01 17:35:55 : <fredskue_> wonder if I could be there for the release of the Nautilus ...
2014-02-01 17:35:59 : <sean> you have got to be fucking kidding me
2014-02-01 17:36:03 : <fredskue_> nope
2014-02-01 17:36:24 : <Jim> It would also say that you won free buggery for life, if it would help you pick up the phone.
2014-02-01 17:36:27 : <Alex_A> going to go
2014-02-01 17:36:31 : <fredskue_> 321-250-3469
2014-02-01 17:36:33 : <Jim> bye
2014-02-01 17:36:37 : <fredskue_> bye
2014-02-01 17:36:49 : <NickE> night
2014-02-01 17:36:51 : <Hippy> 'Bye, Alex
2014-02-01 17:36:56 : <Alex_A> bye all
2014-02-01 17:37:08 : <fredskue_> http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-321-250-3469
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2014-02-01 17:38:16 : <Hippy> So, who's off to the WorldCon this year?
2014-02-01 17:38:27 : <Jim> Where is it at?
2014-02-01 17:38:28 : <fredskue_> Not the BIG BANG THEORY guys
2014-02-01 17:38:42 : <Hippy> London, UK
2014-02-01 17:39:00 : <Hippy> No, Fred, you're right there. None of them has ever read a book
2014-02-01 17:39:26 : <NickE> I'mk going
2014-02-01 17:39:27 : <Lensman> Lots of friends of mine, as Kanas City is bidding for the 2016 WorldCon and the vote is this year.
AFK briefly
2014-02-01 17:39:33 : <Larry> I'm intending Worldcon, but haven't done anything yet.
2014-02-01 17:39:37 : <NickE> better get a membership I guess
2014-02-01 17:39:52 : <Hippy> Yes, me too, Nick
2014-02-01 17:40:03 : <NickE> Larry, If you are there, I'll deffo be there
2014-02-01 17:40:05 : <fredskue_> Hippy, their most recent ep was about them failing to get tickets for Comic Con and trying to decide what other con to go to instead
2014-02-01 17:40:23 : <NickE> Hippy, excellent news!
2014-02-01 17:40:35 : <NickE> have to have meetup
2014-02-01 17:41:07 : <Jim> They should have a Worldcon in London, Ontario, just to mess with people's minds.
2014-02-01 17:41:22 : <Larry> I'll keep you folk posted.
2014-02-01 17:41:37 : <Jim> Good.
2014-02-01 17:41:42 : <NickE> thanks Larry
2014-02-01 17:42:43 : <Lensman> Indeed, thanks.
2014-02-01 17:44:12 : <Larry> I should sign off too.
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2014-02-01 17:45:01 : <NickE> well that was encouraging news
2014-02-01 17:45:30 : <Hippy> It sure was
2014-02-01 17:45:48 : <NickE> He was supposed to go to the last UK WOrldCon in 2005, but Marilyn did something to her leg and they didnt mak it
2014-02-01 17:45:53 : <Jim> DC is bidding for Worldcon 2017.
2014-02-01 17:45:59 : <Hippy> Yes, definitey a meetup. I was saying the other day that going to a WorldCon wher e you know no-one is the worst
2014-02-01 17:46:04 : <NickE> had lunch with Brenda Cooper though :-)
2014-02-01 17:46:22 : <Lensman> Next year I'll bid for Paris (Paris, Missouri).
2014-02-01 17:46:27 : <Hippy> Nice, Nick
2014-02-01 17:47:05 : <Hippy> Cape Town. Why does no-one from there ever put in a bid? It's a travesty
2014-02-01 17:47:12 : <NickE> I'll be bringing several of the kids with me (teh boys are both bigger and hairier than me these days) and a few others
2014-02-01 17:48:10 : <Hippy> Well, every plan I have hinges on how long they let me stay in the US this time.
2014-02-01 17:48:12 : <Jim> Manhattan, KS in 2020!!!
2014-02-01 17:48:57 : <sean> I mentioned my plan for Thunder this year to Dad. he did not reject it so there is a lot of hope.
2014-02-01 17:49:03 : <Hippy> Botk Kansas Citys in 2016. That'll fuck 'em...
2014-02-01 17:49:37 : <Hippy> Good, good. I wish I could assure you that I'd be there :(
2014-02-01 17:50:06 : <sean> whats the latest?
2014-02-01 17:50:42 : <Hippy> No further news. It all depends on the DHS guy on the actual 11th of Feb
2014-02-01 17:51:05 : <Hippy> However, I will amke more of an effort to visit people this time if I have enough time
2014-02-01 17:51:07 : <sean> well, the boat ride would not be til mid April so ther eis room
2014-02-01 17:51:44 : <sean> there is time... where room came from I have no idea
2014-02-01 17:52:20 : <Hippy> I have heard stories of people being given only two weeks stay, if they are frequent visitors who stay a long time (as I have been doing). So I can only wait and see
2014-02-01 17:53:00 : <Dan> We've got AnachroCon in two weeks, a drive to Hampton VA to visit Michelle in March, LibertyCon in June, the family reunion in July... And if I get that day-time only job every bloody vacation day will have to be rescheduled.
2014-02-01 17:53:11 : <Hippy> Of course if I fly direct to Cuba and get a rubber tyre and a paddle, I can stay forever
2014-02-01 17:53:30 : <sean> I understand. The boat still needs to be there for the work. I am just manipulating the time so you can see some of Kentucky.
2014-02-01 17:53:53 : <Jim> http://mariehamnin2016.org/
2014-02-01 17:54:54 : <Hippy> It's all in Japanese, for some reason
2014-02-01 17:55:34 : <Jim> It was a hoax bid that was submitted as a joke. Mariehamnin is in Finland.
2014-02-01 17:56:35 : <Jim> The URL points to the web site of a Japanese nail salon.
2014-02-01 17:56:58 : <sean> Hippy, if you are in the States are you wanting to go back to LibertyCon?
2014-02-01 17:57:11 : <Lensman> LOL! Well, I'm so used to Manhattan being a regional college town that it never occurred to me that anyone would confuse it with Manhattan, NY. Shows my parochial thinking, I guess.
2014-02-01 17:58:21 : <Jim> It is large enough to host a Worldcon, is it not.
2014-02-01 17:58:38 : <Hippy> Oh, yes, LibertyCon is definitely on if I'm still in the US
2014-02-01 17:58:51 : <Lensman> We started a hoax bid, NautilusCon, that was supposed to use a decomissioned Soviet Typhoon sub for the venue. It would have been a traveling WorldCon. The bid never made it past the flyer stage, tho. I should create a website for it.
2014-02-01 17:59:06 : <Hippy> I can probsbly scoot up to Canada for a month and come back. I'm not sure about that, though
2014-02-01 18:00:06 : <Hippy> I wonder if you could get a grant from the Namibian government to help with the bid? They want tourists
2014-02-01 18:00:24 : <sean> OK, I will reserve the room then. I will try to get us closer to Dan and Lyn.
2014-02-01 18:00:29 : <Lensman> "The Gulf and More in Zero Four"! We were "bidding" for 2004, an the sub was intended to start its voyage in the Gulf of Mexico.
2014-02-01 18:01:14 : <Jim> Bagdad 2020
2014-02-01 18:01:19 : <Hippy> Reserve away. Even if I can't make it, I can fix you up for the room rental
2014-02-01 18:02:09 : <Hippy> Anyway, gentlemen - Ringworld 2840! - it's 10AM and I think I shall adjourn to get dressed and face the day
2014-02-01 18:02:10 : <sean> I understand. You did the same with doubts last year. I still have the letter from Oz that I need to frame.
2014-02-01 18:02:30 : <Hippy> How flattering :)
2014-02-01 18:02:48 : <Lensman> "Ringworld in 2840!" Now that's starting a bid early.
2014-02-01 18:02:49 : <Hippy> It wasn't even one of my better efforts, either.
2014-02-01 18:03:07 : <Hippy> I susually write longer ones and cite real legislation and court reports
2014-02-01 18:03:16 : <sean> heh... it was fun.
2014-02-01 18:03:24 : <sean> Julie loved it.
2014-02-01 18:03:40 : <Hippy> Thank her kindly.
2014-02-01 18:03:48 : <sean> I always do.
2014-02-01 18:03:54 : <Hippy> "Next Year in Jerusalem" for a con bid
2014-02-01 18:04:29 : <Hippy> Right. Well, I shall be AFK fo about half an hour. Until then...
The_Lurking_Eye
2014-02-01 18:05:24 : <sean> OK, that was my go ahead for signing up for LibertyCon.
2014-02-01 18:06:15 : <sean> What building do you get, Dan?
2014-02-01 18:07:57 : <Dan> I think we're in the one you & Darren were in last time, but I'm not sure. I did ask for a ground floor room, though.
2014-02-01 18:08:59 : <Dan> Be back soon, got to go to the store... Not logging out, though.
2014-02-01 18:09:35 : <sean> last time we were in the farthest building from the con suite.
2014-02-01 18:09:57 : <sean> the one with two arms
2014-02-01 18:13:31 : <Lensman> The WorldCon bid is for 2 years in advance, but a NaSFic bid for "Next Year in Jerusalem" might be possible... if it was for Jerusalem, Arkansas; Jerusalem, New York; or Jerusalem, Ohio.
2014-02-01 18:14:24 : <sean> Lens, if Kansas City gets a world con.... I could show up.
2014-02-01 18:14:36 : <Jim> me too
2014-02-01 18:14:56 : <sean> Jim, you could come here and then help with fuel money
2014-02-01 18:15:11 : <Jim> yes that would help.
2014-02-01 18:15:31 : <sean> tis on your way... no reason not to.
2014-02-01 18:16:12 : <Lensman> Well, I certainly hope that anyone who visits our fair city has a good time. Altho technically I'm in Kansas City, KS and the bid is for Kansas City, MO. Still, it's all part of the same metro area.
2014-02-01 18:21:39 : <NickE> Ihave tio bail - cantkeep eyes open
2014-02-01 18:23:01 : <Jim> yeah, I have got to go too, suppertime!
2014-02-01 18:23:05 : <Jim> b ye
2014-02-01 18:23:22 : <sean> later guys
2014-02-01 18:23:31 : "Jim" left the channel.
2014-02-01 18:23:42 : <NickE> interesting developments re Worldcon anyway, good chat, Fred - hope some sanity returns (serious about possibility of new Nessus)
2014-02-01 18:23:54 : <NickE> Nighty night
2014-02-01 18:26:17 : <sean> night nick
2014-02-01 18:26:24 : "NickE" left the channel.
Hippy
2014-02-01 18:39:25 : <Hippy> Damn. Missed Nick
2014-02-01 18:39:37 : <Hippy> Hmm. And Jim
2014-02-01 18:44:37 : <Hippy> I might even have a green card by 2016, so I'd be in that
2014-02-01 18:51:54 : <Hippy> Well, gentlemen (and bots) I think I shall head off and play some Lord of the Rings Online.
2014-02-01 18:52:02 : <Hippy> Next month in Orlando :)
2014-02-01 18:52:15 : <sean> is that good info
2014-02-01 18:52:36 : <Hippy> Is what good info?
2014-02-01 18:52:57 : <sean> that you are back in the states next month
2014-02-01 18:53:30 : <Hippy> Well, I fly in to LAX on Feb 11, but it then depends on how long they give me on the I94
2014-02-01 18:53:42 : <sean> k
2014-02-01 18:54:55 : <Hippy> This why all my plans are up in the air at the moment. I don't know where I'll be at any given time after the 11th
2014-02-01 18:55:19 : <sean> I will set up everything anyway.
2014-02-01 18:55:20 : <Hippy> But I'll SMS you as soon as I know what the duration is
2014-02-01 18:55:33 : <Hippy> Thanks
2014-02-01 18:55:47 : <Hippy> And now, Middle Earth awaits...
2014-02-01 18:56:01 : "Hippy" left the channel.
2014-02-01 18:56:07 : <sean> like i said... the boat ride has to be done regardless... i am just massaging the dates
2014-02-01 19:32:18 : <Dan> Back from the store...
2014-02-01 19:59:55 : <sean> i know the store... ;)
2014-02-01 20:00:14 : <Dan> Grocery store, actually.
2014-02-01 20:00:34 : <sean> I was there with you i believe.
2014-02-01 20:00:34 : <Dan> The dogs were out of canned food, :)
2014-02-01 20:01:19 : "Jim" joined the channel.
2014-02-01 20:01:33 : <Jim> still here?
2014-02-01 20:02:59 : <Dan> Somewhat. Waiting for my Britcoms to come on PBS.
2014-02-01 20:03:40 : <sean> yep
2014-02-01 20:05:01 : <sean> I sent Hippy the book he wanted.... arrrrrrr
2014-02-01 20:05:59 : <Dan> Oh dear... I just realized that I'm only a year older than the new Doctor Who, Capaldi.
2014-02-01 20:06:40 : <sean> I thought the 50th ep was over the top but the Christmas ep was rather weak.
2014-02-01 20:07:39 : <Jim> Capaldi is one of the oldest doctors isn't he?
2014-02-01 20:07:42 : <Dan> The Christmas eps are designed to be tear-jerkers, most of the time.
2014-02-01 20:08:41 : <sean> of the new doctors i guess. I defer to Dan on all Who questions.
2014-02-01 20:08:54 : <Dan> He's mid-50s, so pretty much on a par with the first three Doctors.
2014-02-01 20:10:46 : <Dan> I'm actually looking forward to seeing what a non teen heart-throb will be able to do with the part.
2014-02-01 20:10:54 : <Jim> Wikipedia says that Hartnell was only a few months older when he started the role.
2014-02-01 20:11:25 : <Dan> Not that I thought the previous new Doctors were bad at all.
2014-02-01 20:12:19 : <Dan> But I'd like to see more attention paid to an actor's acting than to how hot little girls think he is. :)
2014-02-01 20:12:59 : <Jim> One of the reasons Hartnell seemed so old was that he appeared to be 19th century with his long gray hair.
2014-02-01 20:14:04 : <Jim> At 10 pm, Graham Norton will be on BBC America.
2014-02-01 20:15:01 : <Dan> Yeah, it worked quite well for him. I hope that Capaldi will be allowed to do more adventure-type stories.
2014-02-01 20:15:41 : <Dan> Graham Norton is pretty funny. I always liked his shows.
2014-02-01 20:56:18 : <fredskue_> as long as the impossibly cute clara oswald is on board, Im there
2014-02-01 20:57:10 : <Dan> :)
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2014-02-01 21:13:07 : <sean> clara is insanely pretty. but if she was to come over here I would like her to show up in her 19th century clothes from the snowmen.
2014-02-01 21:15:44 : <Jim> bye again
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2014-02-01 21:42:06 : <sean> watching the hilarious comedy the day after tomorrow
2014-02-01 22:05:11 : <fredskuentz> gads, this guy I know, when that came out, was saying how it was all exactly how such things could happen
2014-02-01 22:05:19 : <fredskuentz> we pointed and laughed at him
2014-02-01 22:13:57 : <sean> thats why i call it a comedy
2014-02-01 22:14:54 : <sean> i have a friend that is totally into the global warming religion... I laugh at him all the time.
2014-02-01 22:26:02 : <Lensman> Seems best to label it a "comedy". Otherwise you'd have to laugh at how aggressively stupid the "science" is. I don't recall the movie that well, but I seem to recall it's about as bad as "The Day After Tomorrow" in suggesting the climate could go to hell in just a few days.
2014-02-01 22:27:44 : <fredskuentz> um
2014-02-01 22:27:58 : <fredskuentz> isn't "the day after tomorrow" what sean's talking about?
2014-02-01 22:29:51 : <fredskuentz> there's a Syfy Saturnday special movie along the same lines with a giant glacier going from northern canada to NYC in a day or two; you had to wonder if they'd done the math on glaciers that go 100mph+
2014-02-01 22:30:30 : <Lensman> I thought y'all were talking about "2012" ?
2014-02-01 22:31:02 : <fredskuentz> not unless somebody said it before I got here :)
2014-02-01 22:31:04 : <Lensman> Oh... <Miss Emiliy Litella voice> Nevermind!
2014-02-01 22:31:09 : <fredskuentz> hee hee
2014-02-01 22:31:16 : <fredskuentz> 2012 was at least funny
2014-02-01 22:31:20 : <fredskuentz> space arks!
2014-02-01 22:31:48 : <Lensman> Well, either one is aggressively "science made stupid".
2014-02-01 22:32:14 : <Lensman> No, "2012" didn't have -space- arks. Modern day Noah's arks... ocean-going ships.
2014-02-01 22:32:18 : <fredskuentz> lot of that going around
2014-02-01 22:32:29 : <fredskuentz> didn't they fly
2014-02-01 22:32:32 : <fredskuentz> ?
2014-02-01 22:32:41 : <Lensman> You obviously didn't see the movie.
2014-02-01 22:32:56 : <Lensman> No, they didn't fly at all.
2014-02-01 22:32:58 : <fredskuentz> I saw the movie
2014-02-01 22:33:04 : <fredskuentz> I thought they flew at the end
2014-02-01 22:33:23 : <Lensman> Those must have been some good drugs, Fred!
2014-02-01 22:33:27 : <Lensman> :)
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2014-02-01 22:35:36 : <Lensman> Actually I was able to enjoy "2012" a lot more than "The Day After Tomorrow", because it was -so- far over the top that it quit bothering me. This was obviously fantasy, nobody in their right mind could have believed that could happen.
2014-02-01 22:38:54 : <Lensman> But in "The Day After Tomorrow" we had something like Mr. Freeze's cold ray as an elemental force. People who didn't run from the advancing tide of cold inside a large building (!!) were flash-frozen as the wave of cold advanced. GAA!!
2014-02-01 22:40:23 : <fredskuentz> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1846444/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
2014-02-01 22:40:46 : <fredskuentz> agreed, you laughed with 2012, and at DAT
2014-02-01 22:41:11 : <fredskuentz> what annoyed me about 2012 was that they ripped off a Clive Cussler novel
2014-02-01 22:41:12 : <fredskuentz> again
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